global warming my butt

[Plymouthy Adams]

the snow I posted was only half of what we got total...today we still have a significant amount on the ground but the roof, especially that what faces the sun, is mostly gone now.....the roads are clear and for dry pretty much now.   Short lived, we did not bust mid 30's yesterday but today's heatwave of 41 has us all back in shorts and flip flops

Edited January 23 by Plymouthy Adams

[greg g]

Not wanting to go all green and tree hugger, but 10 years ago we would have racing on the ice of several regional lakes with ice thickness of 12 to 18 inches starting around the third weekend of Jan.  Now the smaller lakes are just skimming over and the two largest are still mostly open water.  If I wanted to go racing this weekend I would to travel  to small lakes near Lake Placid near the winter Olympics training ffacilities.as of now they are not announcing a location for Saturday and Sunday.  So despite the cold weather, climate vlimate is warming.  This has been the case for at l4ast 6 or 8 years.  And prior to that it was slush racing on a plowed course wouldn't hold up for 2 days of racing,

Edited January 23 by greg g

[Plymouthy Adams]

hybrid sport on the horizon, combined auto and sail.....watertight chassis/bodies with outriggers and sails...sails down for solid surface, outriggers for faster cornering both surfaces...sail up for splish splashing about.

 

we are not evolving....we are revolving....

[ggdad1951]

14 hours ago, Plymouthy Adams said:

 Short lived, we did not bust mid 30's yesterday but today's heatwave of 41 has us all back in shorts and flip flops

 

 

Now you are thinking like a Minnesotan!

[Veemoney]

Our streets are mostly dry and white, with a hefty layer of salt and snow that is covering all that is not pavement. I take comfort today in knowing I don't have to go to work.  

[Ulu]

Well 50 years ago I moved to the desert because I don’t like snow. It appears that you folks that like snow are going to have to move further north.

 

If the earth wants to get warmer, we’re not gonna be able to stop it.

 

Same thing if it wants to get colder.

 

It’s generally still very dry here in the San Joaquin Valley but this year we seem to be having a little more rain than normal. We did have some hotter temperatures this year but the heat waves didn’t seem to last as long.

 

But the boat yard is all still wet from the last rain and my boat and project cars are covered up with tarps.

 

I’ll be indoors messing around with my guitars until this clears up.

 

 

[Plymouthy Adams]

no matter the weather, no matter the location....someone somewhere is not going to be happy....this prediction is about as 100% as you can get.

[Sniper]

I am reminded of what my Dad used to tell me, little boys who lie grow up to be weathermen

[ggdad1951]

Regardless of political bend...the planet is changing.  We are currently between ice ages...a cycle well documented by the people smarter than me.  We are also in a time when we actually have polar ice caps...90% of the planet's history (they say) there were no ice caps.  We are warming per the earth's cycles...we THINK we can control it, but we can't.  That's where politics comes in and that's where I'll leave it.

[Ulu]

We are in a state of denial, that is certain.
 

From the Yahoo news:

 

”…a critical National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration office on the Monterey Peninsula that is on the front lines of tracking and helping to mitigate the effects of climate change…”

 

We’re getting better at tracking things, but as far as mitigation is concerned, I don’t see a possibility that humans can control or even mitigate the changing climate.

 

When you understand how many ancient cities are under the sea, you realize that this has happened before and it’s going to happen again, and we don’t have any control over it.

 

Now in the concept of chaos theory, we might certainly have an effect on climatic change that could end up being broad, yet we would have no knowledge of what that action might be and what effect it might have.

 

That’s where the chaos in chaos theory comes in. You don’t know that if you start your car in the morning that that extra puff of energy into the atmosphere was the very beginning of a cyclone.

 

As far as this earth is concerned, human beings are just along for the ride, and where it starts and where it ends is totally out of our control.

 

Now I’m starting to get religious so I will stop there.

[plymouthcranbrook]

A large percentage of humans live day to day with no concern about the climate except what the local weather is today and will be tomorrow. Even if they wanted to try to change the climate they do not have the time or power to do so. Everything will either be ok or it won’t. Not a lot most of us can do about it. But driving an old Plymouth now, that I can control. 

[Plymouthy Adams]

while weather is out of our control...and the fact that the forecasters are not how we say 'on the nose' trying to work within the predictions do help out for those that garden and what not.  Even jockeying cars about from storage to work area is largely governed by weather, at least, for me.    Weather is like time.....to me wherever I am and whatever I am doing, I am always on time....gotta love being retired....except, often you gotta be a bit older than you wish to take advantage of it.

[soth122003]

There are 3 things that strike me as very funny about the "climate change/crisis"

1. The unmitigated gall of the ignorant that won't do the historical research to understand what is happening.  You always here some one say "It didn't use to be like this."  That's because most people don't live to be a few hundred years old and don't understand the cyclical nature of weather cycles over hundreds to thousands of years.

 

2. The stupidity of people living in a climate prone area, coastal, desert, plains or mountainous areas. Then wonder why hurricanes, drought, tornadoes or flash floods suddenly seem to affect them. (see subject one) It has happened before, just the time scale for events may be annual, every few decades, centinial, or millenial. Take the snowstorm that started this thread. Last time snow like this was seen on this scale was over a hundred years ago. The difference between then and now, advanced warning prep time. The problem is most don't believe it until it happened. The Texas freeze a few years ago, Hurricane Sandy that screwed most in the New England states because it can't happen to them. 

 

3. Mitigation and Preparedness. The short sightedness and attention span of most people today is terribly short. A small generator and a 5 gallon gas can will give about 3-5 days of heat or A/C during a power outage. A small camp stove will boil water and cook meals. 5 days of groceries will ride out most emergencies. The trouble is most will never think of doing this or will say it can't happen here. A one time 2-3 hundred dollar purchase can ride almost any one/family through a crisis. Ready made emergency meals for a family of 4 for 72 hours less than $50. The big difference between than and now is forecast. It used to be "SURPRISE" event is here. Now It's about a week for hurricanes, 2-3 days for floods, tornadoes and drought is forecast almost years out. 

 

Here is another thing to consider. The Glory Days. Why in my day.... Got news for you. When you were younger you were 10 feet tall and bullet proof. Now Your just so high and water resistant. That temp range you could deal with when you were 10 years old to 40, that don't feel so good at 50. My theory is for every 5 years past 40 you lose 5 degrees +or-. So by the time your 60 unless it is 70 or warmer, you use a sweater. If it is 85 outside you bump the A/C to 65 just to stay comfortable because you got used to it. Throw in a weather event and BAM no power or the roads can't be used or you have power but the store/gas station you go to doesn't. Small events are 2-3 days at worst. Big events can be months long. It all boils down to how much you prepare.

 

Joe Lee

[Sniper]

1 hour ago, soth122003 said:

1. The unmitigated gall of the ignorant that won't do the historical research to understand what is happening.  You always here some one say "It didn't use to be like this."  That's because most people don't live to be a few hundred years old and don't understand the cyclical nature of weather cycles over hundreds to thousands of years.

 

Yep, we are almost continuously in a "drought" out here.  Some time back I went to the NWS site and downloaded all the rainfall data they had for my hometown, about 100 years worth.  I put it into excel and graphed it.  Gee, there is about a 7 year cycle in rainfall amounts.  Year one we get the most, then less the next year, even less in year three etc till the end of the cycle.  But if you average the rain fall amounts we are "short" for many of those years.  No, we aren't, it's the natural pattern out here.  Drought is the wrong word for it, which is not to say we shouldn't conserve in leaner years.  But hey drought sells, normal rainfall amounts do not.

 

Now my data is very limited, I mean 100 years is nothing in the grand scheme of things, but it's what I had to look at.

[Dan Hiebert]

10,000 years ago - a lot of us would be having this conversation under a mile of ice.  Mother Nature runs her course, nothing humans could do about climate change then, nothing we can do about it now.  

[plymouthcranbrook]

The Chicago area was just announced as having had the least amount of annual snowfall in 88 years. To me this is wonderful news. Winters here are getting generally warmer but with enough cold thrown in so you don’t forget what it’s like. I have never liked cold, ice, or snow so at my age a temporary warm cycle could easily be forever.  Bring on Summer!

[9 foot box]

   It didn’t snow much until mid Jan. to mid Feb. I’m was fortunate to find a vintage Craftsman 24” snowblower to make my life easier. 18” total they say. Amos, liked it. All gone a week ago. 

[Sniper]

On 3/11/2025 at 11:55 AM, plymouthcranbrook said:

The Chicago area was just announced as having had the least amount of annual snowfall in 88 years.

 

Yes, I grew up near there in NW Indiana a couple of miles south of Lake Michigan.  I was a paperboy when the blizzard of 78 rolled in, chest deep snow.  Drifts to the peak of the house.

 

There is a reason I moved.  I have cousins in the area who like to give me grief when it's 110+ out here and I point them to their show shovels.

[Veemoney]

On 3/11/2025 at 11:55 AM, plymouthcranbrook said:

The Chicago area was just announced as having had the least amount of annual snowfall in 88 years.

The weather folks usually get excited when they have some record to report or a storm coming in. I moved things around so I could put my snow machine in the shop when they were forecasting this big snow event coming in. Supposed to be 6-8" on up and ended up about 3" maybe 4" in spots. I just moved the machine back outside for the rest of the snow season. Been slow on rain as well but plenty of wind for those weather folks to report on. along with the lack of snowfall. 

 

I remember we had 3 years in a row with major snow not just in 78, and the shovel was the only tool I had back then for removal. The snow just kept coming all winter long. 

Here's a more detailed breakdown:

• 1977-1978:

  This winter saw record winter storms and snowfall totals, with 18 major storms occurring in a 4-month period. It's considered one of the worst winters in Illinois' history, causing 62 deaths and over 2000 injuries, along with billions of dollars in damage. 

   
• 1978-1979:

  This winter continued the trend of severe weather, with snowfall averaging 68 inches in northern Illinois, which is 38 inches above normal. 

   
• 1976-1977:

  This winter was the 3rd coldest winter ever with 54.1 inches of snow. January 1977 was the coldest January on record with an average temperature of 10.1. There were 12 days below zero in January 1977. 

[Plymouthy Adams]

cold, wind, snow, rain.........this is a family site, enough of the four letter words.😁

[SteveR]

I moved from my home state of Minnesota in 1997 to England. The winter of 96-97 we saw windchills of -120 degrees. The coldest I have seen in MN was in the 80s, -47 degrees F. Now that's cold. I have to be honest, after spending 28 years of wimpy English winters, I miss the winters back home.

[SteveR]

On 3/11/2025 at 11:21 AM, Dan Hiebert said:

10,000 years ago - a lot of us would be having this conversation under a mile of ice.  Mother Nature runs her course, nothing humans could do about climate change then, nothing we can do about it now.  

The reason they had the ice age is; No cars, factories, aerosol cans, or freon for air conditioning. Well that's just my opinion but it makes sense with the woke people.

[SteveR]

On 1/24/2025 at 10:52 AM, ggdad1951 said:

Now you are thinking like a Minnesotan!

Some may think you are joking. I can remember when the temp got to the 40s and people going to Lake Calhoun MN and suning themselves on lawn chairs in the snow.

[plymouthcranbrook]

All I can add in 1978 I completely worn out a snow new snow shovel and had to buy a new one for 1979. 

[SteveR]

28 minutes ago, plymouthcranbrook said:

All I can add in 1978 I completely worn out a snow new snow shovel and had to buy a new one for 1979. 

$1979?! That was expensive, I've got a used one for $100 if you're interested.