sjaakslinger Posted October 29 Report Posted October 29 Can anyone tell if this is an original '47 oil canister/filter? Thx. Dennis Quote
Doug&Deb Posted October 29 Report Posted October 29 There were two options. One was a sealed filter that was replaced as a unit and the other was what you have that has a replaceable element inside. It looks original to me. Quote
sjaakslinger Posted October 29 Author Report Posted October 29 Ok, thanks. These cars are new to me. Can you clean those replacable filters? Or always a new one? Quote
Sniper Posted October 29 Report Posted October 29 Well, technically and as I understand it, the oil filter was optional. So "original" in the most literal sense of the word would be no filter. However, it is period correct, lol. I bought a new setup from Omix since I had the sealed setup. Quote
Doug&Deb Posted October 29 Report Posted October 29 The filter element is available but I don’t remember the number. I’m thinking the Fram number is C134PL . Hopefully someone else will chime in. Quote
JBNeal Posted October 29 Report Posted October 29 (edited) 4 hours ago, sjaakslinger said: ...Can you clean those replacable filters? Or always a new one? Replacement elements have paper media so they are disposable. New elements need to be verified that the OD and length fit inside the canister, and that the element seal IDs fit onto the canister center tube. Edited October 29 by JBNeal Quote
sjaakslinger Posted October 29 Author Report Posted October 29 Thanks. I'll check the filter inside as soon as the car has arrived. It's still on it's way to Europe. Dennis Quote
Matt Wilson Posted October 30 Report Posted October 30 Just so you're aware, many of the filter inserts/elements were cloth, rather than paper. So don't be surprised if you open up your filter housing and find an element that looks like it is encased in a sock. Quote
Doug&Deb Posted October 30 Report Posted October 30 If you’re lucky your canister will have a drain plug for removing the oil. They apparently did away with that in 49. If I recall it’s a brass plug so don’t get carried away tightening it. Quote
Dan Hiebert Posted October 30 Report Posted October 30 Yeah, ditto Sniper's comment. Our D24 did not have a filter when we got it. I scored one off of a B1B (it was a Dodge Pilot House truck, that's all I knew at the time). Same filter as the one you have there, mine does not have a drain plug. I use a turkey baster to drain the oil (no, not out of the wife's cooking utensil drawer), although there are several kinds of inexpensive siphon pumps that will do the trick, too. Walmart's Hyper Tough brand makes one that comes to mind, I have one, works well but messy to clean up. The turkey baster is better at getting the last dregs of oil from the bottom. I used to use the Fram C134PL filter, but could not find one, not even a cross reference, when I needed one last year. Now I use a Wix 51080, and others use Wix 51010. I am unsure of any meaningful difference, I went with the 51080 because that is what they had in stock at the time. Only place that had either of them up here had them listed under agricultural / industrial applications. Quote
desoto1939 Posted October 30 Report Posted October 30 The wixx 51010 and the Napa gold 1010 are the same filter. Wixx just puts the 5 infront of the number. I have used both in my 1939 desoto that has an AC brand canister. I originally had the metal can throwaway (Fram PB 1/2) but they became to expensive.. Rich hartung desoto1939@aol.com Quote
Booger Posted October 30 Report Posted October 30 yes the sealed filter is expensive but do not leak. Down the road looking for a spin on set up Quote
Plymouthy Adams Posted October 30 Report Posted October 30 the spin on adapter is inexpensive and effective, plumbed correctly does not appear as an afterthought eyesore and given the cost overall, pays for itself in two to three oil changes. When my box of filters I have hoarded run out...will be my go-to. Quote
48ply1stcar Posted October 30 Report Posted October 30 (edited) On a different subject, I had the same air filter set-up as you. A member of my local Plymouth Club told me I was getting enough air to the carburetor. So I stacked another filter by extending the rod and I think it did make a difference. Edited October 30 by 48ply1stcar Quote
bones44 Posted October 30 Report Posted October 30 Wix bypass filter head part #24755 (Amazon stocks them) filter Fram PB50, Baldwin B7219 will cross to other brands. Quote
Sam Buchanan Posted October 30 Report Posted October 30 My spin-on bypass filter installation in the P15: https://p15-d24.com/topic/50622-installing-a-spin-on-bypass-oil-filter-photos/#comment-537063 Quote
desoto1939 Posted October 30 Report Posted October 30 The use of the above spin on filter is an option but what do you gain? The system is still a bypass filter setup. If you are looking to be more original looking and not so modern then the spin on filter is ok. But if you take the car to a show to be judged then you will get point taken off because of the modern filter. if you have a driver then go this route with the modern filter adapter and setup. With the above filter setup when removing the filter element is there any oil that runs out of the adapter and then spills onto the engine block? When i use the metal canister style I get very little oil dripping and then clean out the remaining oil with a turkey baster from the dollar store. When removing the old oil filter I have a plastic coffer container that I can immediately drop the old filter into to lessen any oil spills. either system is fine and is a personal choice to each owner. Rich hartung desoto1939@aol.com Quote
Plymouthy Adams Posted October 30 Report Posted October 30 (edited) you gain availability.....that would be obvious to the most casual observer...what filter to use and where to buy is always the question, not the fact it is a by-pass system. I assure you if the old cannister was such top of the line it would be used yet today, the truth is, as with most things, a better method comes along and the old and cumbersome gets lost along the way. Edited October 30 by Plymouthy Adams Quote
Sam Buchanan Posted October 30 Report Posted October 30 28 minutes ago, desoto1939 said: The use of the above spin on filter is an option but what do you gain? The system is still a bypass filter setup. If you are looking to be more original looking and not so modern then the spin on filter is ok. But if you take the car to a show to be judged then you will get point taken off because of the modern filter. if you have a driver then go this route with the modern filter adapter and setup. With the above filter setup when removing the filter element is there any oil that runs out of the adapter and then spills onto the engine block? When i use the metal canister style I get very little oil dripping and then clean out the remaining oil with a turkey baster from the dollar store. When removing the old oil filter I have a plastic coffer container that I can immediately drop the old filter into to lessen any oil spills. either system is fine and is a personal choice to each owner. Rich hartung desoto1939@aol.com I definitely have a driver, not a show car. A quick look at the engine compartment of my P15 will show daily drivability and reliability is a higher priority than originality (alternator, dual-circuit master cylinder, spin-on oil filter, paper air filter, H4 lighting with auxiliary relays and fuses, full-time electric fuel pump, etc). I now have a readily available bypass filter where there was none for 70+ years. No oil drips from the adapter when the filter is changed, no need to suck out old oil or handle an oil soaked filter. Looks like I gained quite a bit..... To each his own, it is good to have options. Quote
desoto1939 Posted October 30 Report Posted October 30 10 minutes ago, Plymouthy Adams said: you gain availability.....that would be obvious to the most casual observer...what filter to use and where to buy is always the question, not the fact it is a by-pass system. I assure you if the old cannister was such top of the line it would be used yet today, the truth is, as with most things, a better method comes along and the old and cumbersome gets lost along the way. Plymouthy: i do see your point. But I have a 2009 Volvo V70 that has a drop in filter element that is made by the Mann company and also on my 2015 Toyoto it also has a filter that is inserted into a housing. So if the spin on units are an improvement then why are some of the major car manufacturers still using the drop in filter elements and some of these units can now handle upto 10k miles before changing out the filter and oil. Rich Hartung Quote
Plymouthy Adams Posted October 30 Report Posted October 30 (edited) my 2015 Dodge is a drop in filter also.....but the system is far superior to the old cannister and I think you will can say that about your Volvo and or Toy....on the old cannister it is such a fuss sometimes to find the filter, clean the cannister and worry about possible leaking after the fact. Trust me the difference is night and day between then and now. With the modern drop in filter they are readily available at even Wally world would be my guess. Even Wally world stocks genuine mopar filters for the modern drop in cartridge. While this is apple and apples in comparison, the old would be a crab apple and the new a Honeycrisp Edited October 30 by Plymouthy Adams Quote
Young Ed Posted October 30 Report Posted October 30 The difference I found on the 1080 vs 1010 is the center hole mount. The 80 has a fiberous washer while the 10 has an o ring. Our 2 modern minivans also have drop in filters so for some reason the industry is trending back that way. Possibly to avoid having to remove or engineer all the plastic air dams on the bottom of the car to still allow a spin on filter removal. Quote
Plymouthy Adams Posted October 30 Report Posted October 30 (edited) My van has the shifter on the dash all of a sudden it is 1956 again.....while many things are new to the less aged person, many thing are just NEW AGAIN...and I assure you , for the most part....lots more effective in the process. Edited October 30 by Plymouthy Adams Quote
Sam Buchanan Posted October 30 Report Posted October 30 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Young Ed said: The difference I found on the 1080 vs 1010 is the center hole mount. The 80 has a fiberous washer while the 10 has an o ring. Our 2 modern minivans also have drop in filters so for some reason the industry is trending back that way. Possibly to avoid having to remove or engineer all the plastic air dams on the bottom of the car to still allow a spin on filter removal. My 2022 F150 (2.7 turbo) also has the cannister filter on top of the engine. I suspect Ed is correct about easier access, I've had a couple of modern engines where the spin-on filter is barely accessible even after dropping all the plastic....plus having to clean up the mess caused by turning the filter sideways to get it out of the chassis. Sure would hate to be that guy in the pit at the 10-minute oil change chasing a slimy filter on a 95 degree day! Edited October 30 by Sam Buchanan Quote
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