I don't know which way to hammer out the oil seal on the timing cover?

[vintage6t]

Using Sniper's diagram above and the AACA guy's seal example, look at it like this; The rubber part of the seal is anchored to the outer metal ring of the seal only on one side. The metal side it's anchored to faces toward the outside of the cover.  

 

[Sam Buchanan]

2 hours ago, MarcDeSoto said:

A guy on the AACA site said that………….

 

Oh no!! There is another forum that has been abused with this discussion?!?  ?

[MarcDeSoto]

Yes, the cancer has metastisized over to AACA Technical.  They unanimously say I put it in backwards.  So I'm going to press it out and maybe order a new seal if this one looks damaged.  

[MarcDeSoto]

Based on information I received here and at AACA, I decided to knock out the seal and put it in the other way.  Here it is.  What looks like the rubber lip coming out on the front is really the gasket.  

[Dodgeb4ya]

Train wreck.

[Hickory]

The seal looks damaged in the last photo on the right, and I see blue rtv on it. It shouldn't have been needed. I would order another, but it's your car do it how you want to. I just would never reuse a seal that's been driven out.

[MarcDeSoto]

I took your advice and ordered a new timing cover gasket kit.  It's another Fel-Pro kit.  I ordered from NAPA because they can get it today, while Rock Auto would take a week.  

[DJ194950]

5 ppppages now!

 

Congrats on the achievement!

[Plymouthy Adams]

I am not so sure it is over.....we have to endure the rework next......?

[MarcDeSoto]

I wonder if there is a way to stop the gasket from coming out part way when you install the seal?

[Ralph D25cpe]

At this point, the question for me  _ Is this thread continuing simply to provide entertainment for the originator? ... Wondering how far he can push it before an insensitive comment results in the thread being, "locked" 

[kencombs]

2 hours ago, MarcDeSoto said:

I wonder if there is a way to stop the gasket from coming out part way when you install the seal?

What gasket?   Seal goes in first.

[Sam Buchanan]

1 hour ago, Ralph D25cpe said:

At this point, the question for me  _ Is this thread continuing simply to provide entertainment for the originator? ... Wondering how far he can push it before an insensitive comment results in the thread being, "locked" 

 

There have been times when the "troll" word has come to mind but it would take a unique level of creativity to do this on purpose.....I've been moderating user forums for twenty years and never seen anything like this. But maybe I'm just being insensitive.

[Dodgeb4ya]

Gasket is only used on  OE style steel case seals...

After market Rubber faced seal... no gasket used.

A brush of permatex around the seal OD yes. Or your favorite non messy sealer.

This thread must go on.......and on...and on.

[Ralph D25cpe]

1 hour ago, Sam Buchanan said:

 

There have been times when the "troll" word has come to mind but it would take a unique level of creativity to do this on purpose.....I've been moderating user forums for twenty years and never seen anything like this. But maybe I'm just being insensitive.

....Now I feel guilty for harboring the thought.

[FarmerJon]

Man, I must be a weird-o because I usually just call the manufacturer for technical installation clarification. Sometimes, their tech line even knows wtf i am talking about. That's cool. I like when that happens.

 

9 more posts to page 6. 

[MarcDeSoto]

I put a gasket in the tc because a gasket comes with kit and the Parts List shows one being inserted before putting in the seal.  

[Dodgeb4ya]

17 minutes ago, MarcDeSoto said:

I put a gasket in the tc because a gasket comes with kit and the Parts List shows one being inserted before putting in the seal.  

Kit has it (gasket) use it but it shouldn't ever sqeeze out.

Too much slimy gasket goo...

[MarcDeSoto]

I did grease the tc and seal to get it to slide in better.  I'm using a seal installer tool and a mallet and I didn't want to have to hammer it too hard.  About a quarter inch of gasket came out, but I think it's ok.  At the AACA site , they understood why I was so confused about the direction of the seal as the new seals are put in seemingly opposite of the old leather lipped seals.  Maybe I'm expected to know that, but I didn't.  I still wonder why they don't put some simple directions on these seals.  

[Dodgeb4ya]

The AACA has more knowledgable people over there for sure.

That's a better site to get the proper information you need.

[vintage6t]

5 hours ago, MarcDeSoto said:

I did grease the tc and seal to get it to slide in better.  I'm using a seal installer tool and a mallet and I didn't want to have to hammer it too hard.  About a quarter inch of gasket came out, but I think it's ok.  At the AACA site , they understood why I was so confused about the direction of the seal as the new seals are put in seemingly opposite of the old leather lipped seals.  Maybe I'm expected to know that, but I didn't.  I still wonder why they don't put some simple directions on these seals.  

It's possible your old seal was put in backwards to begin with. Aren't you changing the seal because you had an oil leak from the cover of your freshly rebuilt engine?

[MarcDeSoto]

yes, but that old seal was put in 40 years ago and I don't even remember if I was the one to did it.  I may have just used the  old seal.  Do I need to use gasket sealer on the plate and timing cover, or just use the gaskets without it?  

[keithb7]

Mark I’m wondering, did you notice in my video on page 1, you can see that I sprayed the cover gasket with orange Permatex Copper spray. Both sides. 3 coats to make up for any surface irregularities.  I did not use any silicone nor any other type of sealer.  Every step I took is there. Including pipe thread goo on the mounting bolts. Also notice how I centered the cover on the pulley. Also pre-oiling the seal and mating surfaces. Its all there Mark. 

[Sniper]

What does the gasket manufacturer tell you to do?

[Hickory]

I'd be more worried about the beveled bolt holes from overtightened bolts.....this is not a thick gasket. I like the idea of the copper sealant but it has to be a flat sealing surface.