vintage6t Posted April 17, 2023 Report Share Posted April 17, 2023 Using Sniper's diagram above and the AACA guy's seal example, look at it like this; The rubber part of the seal is anchored to the outer metal ring of the seal only on one side. The metal side it's anchored to faces toward the outside of the cover. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Buchanan Posted April 17, 2023 Report Share Posted April 17, 2023 2 hours ago, MarcDeSoto said: A guy on the AACA site said that…………. Oh no!! There is another forum that has been abused with this discussion?!? ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcDeSoto Posted April 17, 2023 Author Report Share Posted April 17, 2023 Yes, the cancer has metastisized over to AACA Technical. They unanimously say I put it in backwards. So I'm going to press it out and maybe order a new seal if this one looks damaged. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcDeSoto Posted April 17, 2023 Author Report Share Posted April 17, 2023 Based on information I received here and at AACA, I decided to knock out the seal and put it in the other way. Here it is. What looks like the rubber lip coming out on the front is really the gasket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgeb4ya Posted April 17, 2023 Report Share Posted April 17, 2023 Train wreck. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hickory Posted April 17, 2023 Report Share Posted April 17, 2023 The seal looks damaged in the last photo on the right, and I see blue rtv on it. It shouldn't have been needed. I would order another, but it's your car do it how you want to. I just would never reuse a seal that's been driven out. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcDeSoto Posted April 17, 2023 Author Report Share Posted April 17, 2023 I took your advice and ordered a new timing cover gasket kit. It's another Fel-Pro kit. I ordered from NAPA because they can get it today, while Rock Auto would take a week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ194950 Posted April 17, 2023 Report Share Posted April 17, 2023 5 ppppages now! Congrats on the achievement! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plymouthy Adams Posted April 17, 2023 Report Share Posted April 17, 2023 I am not so sure it is over.....we have to endure the rework next......? 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcDeSoto Posted April 17, 2023 Author Report Share Posted April 17, 2023 I wonder if there is a way to stop the gasket from coming out part way when you install the seal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralph D25cpe Posted April 17, 2023 Report Share Posted April 17, 2023 At this point, the question for me _ Is this thread continuing simply to provide entertainment for the originator? ... Wondering how far he can push it before an insensitive comment results in the thread being, "locked" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kencombs Posted April 17, 2023 Report Share Posted April 17, 2023 2 hours ago, MarcDeSoto said: I wonder if there is a way to stop the gasket from coming out part way when you install the seal? What gasket? Seal goes in first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Buchanan Posted April 17, 2023 Report Share Posted April 17, 2023 1 hour ago, Ralph D25cpe said: At this point, the question for me _ Is this thread continuing simply to provide entertainment for the originator? ... Wondering how far he can push it before an insensitive comment results in the thread being, "locked" There have been times when the "troll" word has come to mind but it would take a unique level of creativity to do this on purpose.....I've been moderating user forums for twenty years and never seen anything like this. But maybe I'm just being insensitive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgeb4ya Posted April 17, 2023 Report Share Posted April 17, 2023 Gasket is only used on OE style steel case seals... After market Rubber faced seal... no gasket used. A brush of permatex around the seal OD yes. Or your favorite non messy sealer. This thread must go on.......and on...and on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralph D25cpe Posted April 18, 2023 Report Share Posted April 18, 2023 1 hour ago, Sam Buchanan said: There have been times when the "troll" word has come to mind but it would take a unique level of creativity to do this on purpose.....I've been moderating user forums for twenty years and never seen anything like this. But maybe I'm just being insensitive. ....Now I feel guilty for harboring the thought. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarmerJon Posted April 18, 2023 Report Share Posted April 18, 2023 Man, I must be a weird-o because I usually just call the manufacturer for technical installation clarification. Sometimes, their tech line even knows wtf i am talking about. That's cool. I like when that happens. 9 more posts to page 6. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcDeSoto Posted April 18, 2023 Author Report Share Posted April 18, 2023 I put a gasket in the tc because a gasket comes with kit and the Parts List shows one being inserted before putting in the seal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgeb4ya Posted April 18, 2023 Report Share Posted April 18, 2023 17 minutes ago, MarcDeSoto said: I put a gasket in the tc because a gasket comes with kit and the Parts List shows one being inserted before putting in the seal. Kit has it (gasket) use it but it shouldn't ever sqeeze out. Too much slimy gasket goo... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcDeSoto Posted April 18, 2023 Author Report Share Posted April 18, 2023 I did grease the tc and seal to get it to slide in better. I'm using a seal installer tool and a mallet and I didn't want to have to hammer it too hard. About a quarter inch of gasket came out, but I think it's ok. At the AACA site , they understood why I was so confused about the direction of the seal as the new seals are put in seemingly opposite of the old leather lipped seals. Maybe I'm expected to know that, but I didn't. I still wonder why they don't put some simple directions on these seals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgeb4ya Posted April 18, 2023 Report Share Posted April 18, 2023 The AACA has more knowledgable people over there for sure. That's a better site to get the proper information you need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vintage6t Posted April 18, 2023 Report Share Posted April 18, 2023 5 hours ago, MarcDeSoto said: I did grease the tc and seal to get it to slide in better. I'm using a seal installer tool and a mallet and I didn't want to have to hammer it too hard. About a quarter inch of gasket came out, but I think it's ok. At the AACA site , they understood why I was so confused about the direction of the seal as the new seals are put in seemingly opposite of the old leather lipped seals. Maybe I'm expected to know that, but I didn't. I still wonder why they don't put some simple directions on these seals. It's possible your old seal was put in backwards to begin with. Aren't you changing the seal because you had an oil leak from the cover of your freshly rebuilt engine? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcDeSoto Posted April 18, 2023 Author Report Share Posted April 18, 2023 yes, but that old seal was put in 40 years ago and I don't even remember if I was the one to did it. I may have just used the old seal. Do I need to use gasket sealer on the plate and timing cover, or just use the gaskets without it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithb7 Posted April 18, 2023 Report Share Posted April 18, 2023 Mark I’m wondering, did you notice in my video on page 1, you can see that I sprayed the cover gasket with orange Permatex Copper spray. Both sides. 3 coats to make up for any surface irregularities. I did not use any silicone nor any other type of sealer. Every step I took is there. Including pipe thread goo on the mounting bolts. Also notice how I centered the cover on the pulley. Also pre-oiling the seal and mating surfaces. Its all there Mark. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sniper Posted April 18, 2023 Report Share Posted April 18, 2023 What does the gasket manufacturer tell you to do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hickory Posted April 18, 2023 Report Share Posted April 18, 2023 I'd be more worried about the beveled bolt holes from overtightened bolts.....this is not a thick gasket. I like the idea of the copper sealant but it has to be a flat sealing surface. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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