dcstall Posted October 22, 2021 Report Posted October 22, 2021 (edited) NEED AN ENGINE for my 1951 Dodge B1...This engine blew head gasket...bad(out the side)...engine has been rebuilt many times....and is now beyond repair. it has a 4 speed floor shift Fluid Drive trans and have been told that makes the engine combo unique? it is a 218(i think)...will a 230 work as with the existing existing fluid drive ? Not yet familiar with these Dodge trucks....ready for the lessons. im in central Ohio, but willing to travel Edited October 22, 2021 by dcstall Quote
greg g Posted October 22, 2021 Report Posted October 22, 2021 It was my impression that fluid drive was only behind 230 engines in 23,5 applications, as the weight of the unit requiring the 8 bolt and thicker crankshaft flange that was part of the 230 spec. Conventional knowledge was that 218 and fluid drive were mutually exclusive. I will admit here, I am not well versed in fluid drive or truck permutations so I may be singing from the wrong sheet here, but since I have been active on this forum it's been 230 mentioned with fd on the 23.5 inch engines. You didn't give your location but I have a P15 engine 218 looking to be removed. Located in Central NY. 1 Quote
lostviking Posted October 22, 2021 Report Posted October 22, 2021 What make it beyond repair? Block? A 218 block is essentially the same thing as a 230. Crank and flywheel are different. Quote
Young Ed Posted October 23, 2021 Report Posted October 23, 2021 7 hours ago, greg g said: It was my impression that fluid drive was only behind 230 engines in 23,5 applications, as the weight of the unit requiring the 8 bolt and thicker crankshaft flange that was part of the 230 spec. Conventional knowledge was that 218 and fluid drive were mutually exclusive. I will admit here, I am not well versed in fluid drive or truck permutations so I may be singing from the wrong sheet here, but since I have been active on this forum it's been 230 mentioned with fd on the 23.5 inch engines. You didn't give your location but I have a P15 engine 218 looking to be removed. Located in Central NY. I believe that's true for cars but not trucks. I think you could get a fluid drive 218 pickup Quote
Bryan Posted October 23, 2021 Report Posted October 23, 2021 7 hours ago, greg g said: It was my impression that fluid drive was only behind 230 engines in 23,5 applications, as the weight of the unit requiring the 8 bolt and thicker crankshaft flange that was part of the 230 spec. Conventional knowledge was that 218 and fluid drive were mutually exclusive. I will admit here, I am not well versed in fluid drive or truck permutations so I may be singing from the wrong sheet here, but since I have been active on this forum it's been 230 mentioned with fd on the 23.5 inch engines. You didn't give your location but I have a P15 engine 218 looking to be removed. Located in Central NY. I'm about to find out. My D24 Dodge has a P 18 # engine in it. Always had a fluid drive because my father showed me it working and I drove it myself. Quote
kencombs Posted October 23, 2021 Report Posted October 23, 2021 I just checked my old Hollander engine and crankshaft interchange. It appears the 218 was not used with FD. But, a lot of the engines in our vehicles today are not factory original. So no telling what you will find. There is even mention in the engine section about the flywheel needed to use a FD engine in standard applications that accounts for the longer crankshaft. Quote
Plymouthy Adams Posted October 23, 2021 Report Posted October 23, 2021 the FD was used in cars and trucks with the 218. Quote
David A. Posted October 23, 2021 Report Posted October 23, 2021 My 1950 B2B has a 218 with 3 speed on the column and fluid drive. Quote
wallytoo Posted October 23, 2021 Report Posted October 23, 2021 my '52 b-3-c with fluid drive has the 218, as well. factory setup. Quote
Merle Coggins Posted October 24, 2021 Report Posted October 24, 2021 1/2 and 3/4 ton B-series trucks came with the 218 CID 23” engines, and starting in 1950 were also available with the Fluid Drive option. The 1 ton trucks have the 230 CID engine and also had a FD option starting in ‘50. As I understand the car world, only the Plymouths use the 218 engine, and Fluid Drive was never an option for Plymouths. Any 23” 218 or 230 engine would be a direct replacement for the truck in question, but he’d need a 218 that was originally from a truck equipped with FD. I am also curious why the engine is “beyond repair”. If it’s just a blown head gasket the head can be shaved to make it flat, block checked for flatness, and reassembled with a new gasket. Quote
Dodgeb4ya Posted October 24, 2021 Report Posted October 24, 2021 My 52 B3B came with FD 3 spd and the 218. Most any engine can be repaired/rebuilt unless worn excessively or spun main bearings ,oversize cylinders etc. Quote
JBNeal Posted October 24, 2021 Report Posted October 24, 2021 additional information - classified advertisements on pilot-house.com Quote
Plymouthy Adams Posted October 25, 2021 Report Posted October 25, 2021 11 hours ago, Merle Coggins said: As I understand the car world, only the Plymouths use the 218 engine, and Fluid Drive was never an option for Plymouths. Any 23” 218 or 230 engine would be a direct replacement for the truck in question, but he’d need a 218 that was originally from a truck equipped with FD. Merle..I have a 1941 Dodge D19 FD and it is 218....Dodge got the 230 in 1942 and Plymouth got the hand me down 218 although up from the 201 Plymouth sported about in 1941 Quote
Merle Coggins Posted October 25, 2021 Report Posted October 25, 2021 So, there you go... 218's were fitted with Fluid Drive units back in '41. We learn something new every day. Thanks Tim. Quote
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