Loren Posted October 12, 2019 Report Share Posted October 12, 2019 I've been reading one of the history books and there is a mention of a "Power Pack'" kit that MoPar sold for the 1956 Plymouth PowerFlow 6. (apparently Dodge installed these at the factory for their cars....) The book said it had a Stromberg dual throat carburetor and it raised the output to 131 hp! My question which the book didn't elaborate on is which Stromberg carburetor? My all time favorite is called a Bendix-Stromberg WW. They were used on lots of V8s including Dodge and Studebaker. I had lots of success adapting them to SAAB 96 V4 engines and even set a Dry Lakes speed record with one. I have a project I am working on which I'd like to keep "period correct" and the WW would fit my "skill set" and parts bin nicely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgeb4ya Posted October 13, 2019 Report Share Posted October 13, 2019 Yep they did make that set up... not common though... Here are a couple pics....Young Ed has one .... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgeb4ya Posted October 13, 2019 Report Share Posted October 13, 2019 (edited) I can get the carb # for you tomorrow. Done Number 3-126 Stromberg. These WW's were used 1956 thru 1958 Plymouth and Dodge... Edited October 13, 2019 by Dodgeb4ya 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YukonJack Posted October 13, 2019 Report Share Posted October 13, 2019 I was looking for that set up a couple of years ago. Even posted in parts wanted but no response. Guess people are holding on to them. I had that manifold on a 48 Dodge in the 70's but it didn't come with a carb. A 2bbl Rochester from a 60's - early 70's GM bolted up to it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andydodge Posted October 13, 2019 Report Share Posted October 13, 2019 As far as I know Carter BBD and Stromberg WW's had the same bolt patterns, if thats any help.....the Carter BBD was the standard 2 barrel carb on the small V8's such as the 273 & 318's..here in Oz the WW Stromberg was used extensively on GM's Holden 186/202 cube six and 253 V8's in the 60's & 70's.....from John Lees Standard catalog of Chrysler Plymouth had 140hp in the 1957-59 cars using the 2 barrel carby.........andyd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loren Posted October 13, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2019 That sure looks like a Bendix-Stromberg WW. The diagonal accelerator pump link is what I look for first. One of those served a 107cid 7,000+rpm 4 cylinder just fine. I was thinking two might work as well on a 265cid 4,000+rpm 6 cylinder. They use the same jets as a 97 but are much shorter and seem to be very versatile. The carburetor guy who introduced me to them even put one on a 450SL which everyone claimed ran better than its original fuel injection! Since they put a lot of them on MoPar cars, some have the provision for the Overdrive kick-down switch I need. Now which way to mount them? Barrels in line or crossways? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg g Posted October 13, 2019 Report Share Posted October 13, 2019 (edited) I believe Jeep used a 2bbl carb on some of the 4.0 sixes before there went to fuel injection. Carter bbd type. https://www.amazon.com/CARBURETOR-CARTER-TYPE-WAGONEER-BARREL/dp/B07PJRWH6F/ref=asc_df_B07PJRWH6F/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=343242903497&hvpos=1o6&hvnetw=g&hvrand=9228068814268367226&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=t&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=&hvtargid=pla-720575226888&psc=1&tag=&ref=&adgrpid=69167826895&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvadid=343242903497&hvpos=1o6&hvnetw=g&hvrand=9228068814268367226&hvqmt=&hvdev=t&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=&hvtargid=pla-720575226888 Edited October 13, 2019 by greg g Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YukonJack Posted October 13, 2019 Report Share Posted October 13, 2019 2 hours ago, greg g said: I believe Jeep used a 2bbl carb on some of the 4.0 sixes before there went to fuel injection. Carter bbd type. https://www.amazon.com/CARBURETOR-CARTER-TYPE-WAGONEER-BARREL/dp/B07PJRWH6F/ref=asc_df_B07PJRWH6F/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=343242903497&hvpos=1o6&hvnetw=g&hvrand=9228068814268367226&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=t&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=&hvtargid=pla-720575226888&psc=1&tag=&ref=&adgrpid=69167826895&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvadid=343242903497&hvpos=1o6&hvnetw=g&hvrand=9228068814268367226&hvqmt=&hvdev=t&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=&hvtargid=pla-720575226888 Didn't some of the slant 6 come with a 2bbl also? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40Club Posted October 13, 2019 Report Share Posted October 13, 2019 Always fuel bowl forward Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loren Posted October 13, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2019 That's what I would think too. On the SAAB V4 the WW worked very well with the bowl on the side (one barrel ahead of the other). I did it that way because the stock linkage could be used and the carburetor didn't seem to care. The factory two barrels sat crosswise diagonal to the center of the engine with the float bowl forward (the sister engine Ford V6 as used in the Mercury Capri had the same goofy set up) and you could never get a smooth reliable throttle action in the SAAB. Float bowl forward would cause the three ports to get a fairly even mixture. Float bowl to the side would have the mixture drawing from the closest barrel. The main reason to go bowl forward is fuel starvation under acceleration. I had that problem with Webers but never with the WW. (another reason it was my favorite) In another post there is a discussion of a Thickstun manifold with 2 singles. Googling Thickstun brought up a photo of a Manifold he made for an 8 cylinder Chrysler flathead. This had 97s as I recall with float bowl forward. I think I'll have another look at that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobb Horn Posted October 13, 2019 Report Share Posted October 13, 2019 This is the intake on my 56 Dodge engine. No carb when I got the engine. I put on a carb from a 305 Chevy to run it for a short time, ran great.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reg Evans Posted October 14, 2019 Report Share Posted October 14, 2019 Here's one I have on my 42 Dodge Business Coupe. I didn't find a proper 2 bbl carb soon enough so I got a 1 to 2 bbl adapter and installed it upside down so I could drive the car until I found a good 2 bbl carb. Well......that was years ago and it's still like this. Runs great !!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Elder Posted October 14, 2019 Report Share Posted October 14, 2019 Damn Reg..... I've never seen a 1 BBL tunnel ram before....lol. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reg Evans Posted October 14, 2019 Report Share Posted October 14, 2019 2 hours ago, Frank Elder said: Damn Reg..... I've never seen a 1 BBL tunnel ram before....lol. Well Frank, after all it is a one of a kind 230 SpitSfire 6. ? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpollo Posted October 14, 2019 Report Share Posted October 14, 2019 (edited) I have one on my 35 Plymouth's 217 (51). Works very well except for trouble with automatic choke. Originally from a 56 Dodge 230. Edited October 15, 2019 by dpollo spelling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
9 foot box Posted October 15, 2019 Report Share Posted October 15, 2019 Perhaps, thecarburatorshop.com, in Elton, Missouri, can help you Loren, with this query. I have no experience with the shop, but saved the link, for past and future endeavors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James_Douglas Posted October 15, 2019 Report Share Posted October 15, 2019 The first six months of production of the 1946 Chrysler Town & Country was supposed to have a 2BBL on the inline 8. There was a problem with getting the carbs so they used an adapter and put on the 1BBL. My friend has one that has the factory adapter on it with the 1BBL. James. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falconvan Posted October 15, 2019 Report Share Posted October 15, 2019 Very cool; gives me ideas of adapting a GM TBI injection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Young Ed Posted October 15, 2019 Report Share Posted October 15, 2019 47 minutes ago, falconvan said: Very cool; gives me ideas of adapting a GM TBI injection. I haven't heard from him in years but there was a guy that did that to his 40s dodge truck. He said it worked great. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loren Posted October 15, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 15, 2019 TBI is great if you don't have a lot of underwood space, because it fits in the space of a carburetor. My all time favorite injection is Bosch CIS. It's considered obsolete now days but boy did it work good! Extremely easy to fix when something went wrong and it was easy to modify. It was mostly hydraulic with a temp sensor (aka warm up regulator) that regulated control pressure, a cold start valve and a fast idle device. The airflow sensor was a flap in a Venturi. Bog simple but took up a lot of space. Three basic spare parts and you're ready for the apocalypse. 1) Fuel pump 2) Fuel filter 3) Warm up regulator A customer drove a 1978 SAAB 99 80,000 miles without a service (he just changed oil) before it stopped running and had to be towed. We did the 80,000 mile service and it ran like a top! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derbydad276 Posted October 18, 2019 Report Share Posted October 18, 2019 (edited) you would be able to use one of the New Holley Sniper EFI throttle bodies on that intake ... I want one !!! https://www.holley.com/products/fuel_systems/fuel_injection/sniper_efi/sniper_efi_bbd_for_jeep_cj/parts/550-858K Edited October 18, 2019 by derbydad276 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Young Ed Posted October 18, 2019 Report Share Posted October 18, 2019 Wow and I thought my intake was expensive! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derbydad276 Posted October 18, 2019 Report Share Posted October 18, 2019 On 10/12/2019 at 10:56 PM, Dodgeb4ya said: Yep they did make that set up... not common though... Here are a couple pics....Young Ed has one .... does he want to sell it ? On 10/12/2019 at 10:56 PM, Dodgeb4ya said: p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgeb4ya Posted October 18, 2019 Report Share Posted October 18, 2019 Most likely no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg g Posted October 19, 2019 Report Share Posted October 19, 2019 So this set up took hp from 125 to 132 according to spec charts. Wonder if there was a different cam to go along or if it was just the carb and manifold? Exhaust was still 2 inch single pipe. Within a couple years, Dodge was rated at 132/135 but back to a 1bbl. Those specs say compression ratio went from 7.7 to 8.2 but again one wonders about the cam grind. It would be nice to see the engineering charts that accompanied the changes through the years. The spec sheets show compression ratio increases, and a look at distributors show steeper sooner advance curves, but what else took 230 from 101 HP to 135 HP over the years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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