desoto1939

I have this same miller axle puller and a lot of the older miller tools. I just found a Miller MT19C Brake tool with the 6 sleeves and it is all complete and this will be avialble to be sold. I also have three miller tool catalogs that cover from 1930-55 I have now solved th eissue regarding the opening on the outer oil seal. Rich Hartung desoto1939@aol.com

Sounds as if you are missing the wiper arm transmission these are the two parts that stick out from under the dash and they are connected to the wiper motor via meatl arms and when the wiper motor is moving in a circular manner this casues the wiper arms to move back and forth. So look in your parts book under the wiper section and look for the transmission numbers. I will tray to find a cros ref number for you. Rich Hartung desoto1939@aol.com

Keith: I saw your video and then when you turned over the original grease seal uyou had move the inner flex seal that I was taling about the flex seal sits inside the 5797 original seal. There for the nation 5797 looks to big We have solved the issue. call me at my home phone 610-630-9188 or cell 484-431-8157 after 9:30 rich Hartung

I have checked my 1937 - 52 mopar catalog and the correct outer oil seal is is the national 5797. I have a good feeling that some prior owner could not find the correct outer oil seal and found one with the same mouting holes but and smaller opening for the axle. and installed that seal. So all of us have used the 5797 oil seal and all of my cross reference catalogs pint to the same seal with the opening that you have. If you could clear off the old material on the front of the old oil seal then you might find a number stamped intot eh flange they ususaully had the oil seal number stamped into the flange for identification. Rich hartung Rich

Hey Todd, Since your father in laws vision is going I stillwant to remind you about the very early Electrical catalog that I had informed you about a couple of months ago. This lists all of the electrical components by either the Delco or Northeast part number and also the corresponding Dodge part number and there are also great pictures of the parts so you have a visual when trying to find these parts. The pictures are worth the purchasing of the catalog and other pertainent information. Rich Hartung Desoto1939@aol.com

Keith: Rich Hartung Here: I just took out my national 5797 and another oil seal made by trostel the trostel number is t5797 and when I measure the opening in the back like you have inyour pictures I get the same opening size 1.75. Now they did make an seal that would mount behind the 5797 that made the whole opening smaller to help stop the grease and axle oil from being pushed out of the axle shaft. I might still have a few of these left inmy supply but the outer oil seal that you are showing is the correct oil seal. rich hartung desoto1939@aol.com

Keith I looked in my National Oil seal catalog and the proper National Outer Oil seal is number 5797 for the Plymouth, Dodge, Chrysler and Desoto from 1936 - 1942 for the 6 cylinder cars but for cyler 8 cylinder the same oil seal is listed as number 5688 from 1936-37 for the c9,c10,c11 an c17 and from 1937-39 the number is 5849 for c15,c20 and c24 so you might have received the incorrect outer oil seal I would ask the vendor if he is a major parts supply house if they had sent you the incorrect outer oil seal. Seem to me that you have the wrong set and you need the National 5797 This is why I collect and make available the various cross reference catalogs for all of the owner. Printed documentation is the best policy to have when getting parts Rich HArtung Desoto1939@aol.com

OK with the old battery on a 6v battery charger you stated that the headlight worked so at least you have some power with the old battery. But with the new battery connected to a 6v battery charger you are getting nothing. Since it is a new battery can you take the caps off the top of the battery? If you can there shoud be battery acid in each cell. Check this first then get a battery electrolyte tester so that you can insert it in to each cell and then determine the amount of electrical charge that you have in each cell or even take it back to the place that you purchased the battry from and have then check it to make it is not defective. With a new battery it should start right up because it should be 50% charged. Rich HArtung

The dual action FP was to supply a vacuum supply line to the wiper motor since it ran off of the engine or something to create the vacuum. Since you are converting to electric wipers there is no longer a need for a vacuum line to the wiper motor unles the vacuum line was feeding something else on the car. You might beable to use an AC 588 fuel pump. I have a 39 desoto that came standar with the 6 volt electric wiper motor. Rich Hartung desoto1939@aol.com

With the fluid drive the gear shift is on the column and it should be a 3 speed if I remember correctly. So you would have the option of not using the FD but just the option of shifting manually. I have a 39 desoto and it was the first year to have the three on the tree. So thry to pushing the clutch pedal and then try to see if you can shift manually into a gear. remember it is an H pattern Left leg of the H pattern up is reverse straight down is 1st then up and over to the top is 2nd and then down to 3rd. If you can do this then you have a manual shifting. Keep in touch Also are you a member of the National Desoto club. The 2020 National Desoto Convention will be held in Wisconsin this year. We also have model coordinators that can also assist with questions. Rich Hartung Desoto1939@aol.com

greg: so what was the issue that they fix??????? Rich Hartung desoto1939@aol.com

bingster where did the battery leak the water? Was it from one of the caps? The water expanded and then the only place for it to go would be out the top of the hole for one of the cells. canyou take the caps off and see how much water is in each cell, if low then refill with distilled water not tap water. Also go to an automotive store and get the hydrometer to see how much electric chagre you have in each cell. Then recharge the battery again. The battery charge should stop charging after the battery has a full charge I think the battery was over filled. Then hook up the battery to your Desoto and see if it will crank the car or engine over. If not then the battery might be dead. Rich Hartung

Since you supplied the brake cable mopa number I was able to look up the EIS brake cable number for you. The cable number is EIS 1805 to fit dodge 15 cable length 77 3/4 conduit length 61 the position that the cable attaches to is the hand lever. My catalog has pictures of the cable and also cross reference number. Rich Desoto1939@aol.com

So Rodney what are you looking for onyour post? Are you looking for just a replacement ememgency brake cable. You can just get these and then rehook intot he emergency brake handle and then attach the other end to the emergency brake band. I will look in my EIS brake cable book to see if there is a brake cable number that you can use to find another cable. There isa guy that sell brake cable at Hershey and he lives in Lebanon PA which is just utside of Hershey PA. He has very good prices. Can yuou look up the part number in your parts manual and send that to me so I can verify the specific cable. This is why I keep telling everyone they need to get parts cross reference catalogs to help with you restorations. Rich Hartung Desoto1939@aol.com

I just attended the Antique Automotive club of America annual convention and lecture series in Philadelphia this past weekend. Attend a lecture on car batteries. One of the points that this lecture pointed out is this: When jumping a battery and the hood has been opened on both vehicles you should wave your hand or used an object to make some air movement over the top of each battery to remove any sulphuric acid vapors above each battery prior to doing anything. Then connect the proper cable to the dead battery. Then go an connect the appropriate cable to the car that has the good battery and then start the jumping process. everyone should remind their wife's and children and also you about this safety factor. A lot of good information was provided about car batteries. The lecturer even stated that the biggest difference that he has found between a 3yr and a 5 year battery is the amount of space at the bottom of the plates to the case bottom. The 5 year battery has a great amount of space so the plate material can then settle to the bottom and has more distance or thickness than a 3 year guaranteed battery. Basically thy are the same but the amount of space at the bottom is the difference. Also there are only 4 major auto battery suppliers but he did not tell us those companies. Rich Hartung desoto1939@aol.com

I just did a wiki search on how to officially determine the exact size of a stranded and solid wire when it is covered in a plastic outer covering. Use the link below to get a better understanding of wire; very interesting topic. https://www.wikihow.com/Gauge-Wire Rich Hartung desoto1939

I would think that based on Plymouthy reply that we really do not know the gage of the wire because of the outer covering thickness. I always assumed that when they wrote 12 ga 10 gage wire that the inner stands of the wire is the size that they were referring to and did not include the outer wrapping in the size. So how do we determine if the size is correct? You would have to open the package pull out some wire strip off the cover and then measure the wire. I do not think some of the stores would appreciate us doing this to their packages. I am assuming that the labeling is referring to the gage of the stranded wire alone and not the wire and the outer cover being include in the gage of the wire. Just food for thought. Rich Hartung

After running the car, how long are you running the car? Next question how old is the battery. Have you looked in the battery to make sure that the cells are all covered by liquid. Have you replaced any water and did you use DISTILLED WATER and not tap water. Is the battery terminal all clean and have not white build up on the posts and the cable connectors. If this is a build up of Sulphur white powder then clean the entire top of the battery with baking soda to neutralize the acid. Get a Battery Terminal brush at you r local auto store clean the pos and neg terminal and also the inside of the cable connector. Are you using the correct sized battery cable and not the smaller 12volt cable that you get at autozone. The 12v will not work well you need the 6v sized 0 or 00 sized cable to carry enough voltage. If you battery is more than a couple of years old then get the battery tested. Get the hydrometer to test the strength of the fluid in each cell. If this is down then get a new 6v with the highest cold cranking amps. Insatll the battery with correct cable make sure that you are positive ground on the car to the battery. Check that all of the wires from the generator to the volt regular are connected with no breaks in the wire and that they are tight at the Volt Reg. replace wires if they look bad with at lest 14 gage wire. New wire is good wire versus od original wire that is bad wire that has issues. Are the contacts in the regulator clean if the points need to be cleaned use a points file and not sand paper to clean them and with very little pressure. Sand paper leaves snad and a metal file is flat to make a smooth even contact surface on the points. Just some ideas but I suspect that the battery is the main problem with not charging and holding a charge. Rich Hartung desoto1939@aol.com

Did the previous owner convert the generator to a 6v volt positive ground alternator? Trace the wire if you can back to the other end of the wire that might give us a clue as to what it was connected to. Do you have a headlight relay on the car firewall. It does not look original because of not being a cloth covered wire and does not have any striker markings and the metal end does not have a rubber cover over the end where it was crimped onto the bare wire.. Rich Hartung desoto1939@aol.com

You can also get a heat gun from HArbor Freight and then heat the metal frame along the rubber inner edges this will soften the grip on the glass. As it get softer then pull the glass straight out of the frame. The material you are referencing is called glass setting tape It is a rubber tape material. Not found in most glass shops. They way that they are doing it today is with silicone glue it is black and then this permits the glass person to move the glass in the frame and get it straight in the frame. If you are not going for AACA points judging then this is the route I would suggest you to take. The glass setting tape makes a tight fit and yu should use a person that knows how to do the job. Just my 25 cents of knowledge Rich HArtung. Desoto1939@aol.com

Since you have a 6 volt system you can use a battery charger that has a setting for 6v to supply power to test each horn. Yes setting the point is tricky but take your time. If you have to clean the points get a points file and do not use sandpaper to clean the points. It make take several attempts to get the horns to sound and blow together after setting the points it is just trail and error. Rich Hartung desoto1939@aol.com

Do you want me to make a tracing of the dipstick so you can fabricate one to be of the same length and shape? Let me know, if you want the tracing send me you home mailing address. Rich hartung desoto1939@aol.com

ON my 39 Desoto I have the foot starter pedal and the starter selinoid is bolted on top of the starter motor at the selinoid. which also has the battery cable connection. The 6 volt headlight relay is mounted to the firewall near my voltage regulator. I ran a 10 gage wire fromt he battery connect on the selinoid to the headlight relay to the battery side and then wired the appropriate low and high beams from the dimmer switch that is located on the floor of the car. So my headlight switch runs power to the dimmer switch and then it was originally setup to run wires to the junction block in the engine bay and then the appropriate wires ran to each headlight bulb. When using the relay you lessen the amount of voltage running and you are no longer pulling all the volts/amp throught the headlight switch but by powering the relay fromt he battery use thave shorten the amount of wire and run that needs to supply electrical curren to the headlight and then they will be brighter. This was done when the 39 and back cars switch over to sealed beams instead of the old style bulbs. Rich Hartung

Sam: first, that is a good question. But remember that Mother Mopar did not make everything for our cars and trucks. The used suppliers to provide additional parts. Yes they may have done the casting of the engine blocks and other things, carbs were done by Carter and Stromberg, Electrical components were done by Autolite. Clutches were done by Borg warner tires were done by Goodyear and the list could go on and on. Just look at todays current auto manufacturers they use parts from all over the world because of cheaper prices and now we have ways to get the parts delivered ontime and when just needed instead of having to have them stock pile in a warehouse just waiting to be sent to the assembly line. The logistics of parts delivery has become very technical and not just in the automotive industry, Do you remember a couple of years ago the UPS truck advertisement of get the parts or flowers delivered to the repected company just before they opened their doors for business. That the way the world is working today. So I am assuming that maybe this company supplied dipsticks to several of the auto manufacturers. I was just able to find this display at the right time and the right place and was able to have the display and information in case if someone ever needed the info. Rich Hartung desoto1939@aol.com

I went out to my garage and I had purchased a display rack that had several Dipsticks on it. The rack shows Dodge and Plymouth with the correct replacement dipstick to fit from 1937-48. I took some pictures for you and also with a ruler to help you. No the individual dipstick is not for sale because I would then be missing one unit. Let me know if you need a line copy drawing of this one and send me your home address. No to often that you will find a display just on dipsticks. Purchased this about 25 years ago while at Carlise Fall swap meet and it hangs just on the wall in front of my 39 Desoto. If anyone needs info on the Chrysler/Desoto dipstick they can also contact me Rich Hartung Desoto1939@aol.com cell 484-431-8157