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Farmer John: yes you are correct with your statement. I missed adding in the 0 for the example. so in my example the correct measurement is 11.010 or then thousandths over. If I do go through with this idea I would create a form and instruction sheet along with an area for the mechanic to write in the appropriate information. Rich Hartung

It would be the responsibility of the owner of the car to get each drum micro metered to know the exact diameter f the, Example 11.10 11 inchs and 10 thousandths over. Then send me the respective shoes for each drum indicating where they are located on the car. Example Right Rear 11.20 then label the right rear shoes with this information then do the same for the left rear according to the measurement of the left drum. The owner ships the brake shoes to me at their cost. I cut the linings according to the supplied information. I then send the shoes back to them at their cost, maybe in a USPO if it fits it ships. Then I charge them for the service $20 for all four shoes or $10 for one side. There are not many places that even have the tool to cam-grind the shoes and very few people that even know how to do this work. Rich Hartung

OK: I have a question for the members. I have an opportunity to purchase an AMMCO Safe Arc cam brake shoe grinder, that I have seen and know the motor works and is complete along with the Ammco Brake 1750 brake gage tool. The owner is local to me and has offered the tools at $500 for both as a set. I currently have a 1750 ammco brake tool and also the factory Miller brake setting tool MT-19 and the miller Tru-brake tool that uses the adapters parts so that you can also arc the shoes when the shoes are on each axle. I also have the Ammco Micrometer 16 inch tool to take an exact measurement on the inside diameter of each drum and also the metal bar that is used to setup the tool so that the gage is set to tell you the correct diameter of a drum. SO I know I can sell the extra ammco brake gage tool and this will lower my total cost. I also have the instruction manual of the Ammco safe Arc tool. Figure that i could also let owners with drum brakes know that i Have the arcing tool and then make some cash to help payoff the tool. What would everyone think would be a fait price to charge for a complete axle set of four shoes? Also have to consider that the owner would have to pay shipping both ways to send/receive back the four shoes. I was figuring around $20 for a complete axle set??????? Need input on this entire idea. It not like I have to have the tools but these tools are hard to find and I can get the tools locally and not have to deal with any shipping fees especailly on the safe arc tool which is very heavy. All input and replies are welcome. Rich hartung desoto1939@aol.com

they used a Gland Nut to thread into the side of the head. It is a brass nut and then the tube from the end of the mechanical temp gage threads into the gland nut. Also notice the welsh plug directly above the gland nut. If you have to remove the bulb from the gland nut they ususualy get stuck in the glad nut. By twisting the tube you might break the bulb and then it is a pain to replace the entire temp gage and also costly. SO, Drain the engine then pull out the welsh or otherwise known as freeze plug. You will then see the end of the tube inthe opening. Spay lot of PB Blaster in the area and let is soak over night. Then take a soft mallet and then try to tap out the bulb from the inside of the hole take you time, might have to respray more PB Blaster to loosen up the tube or you might get lucky and it will pop out. Clean around the opening put in some sealing material and then put in a Brass Welsh plug. Open the attachment with pictures and this will make it easier to understand the process. The little nut next to number 6 sparkplug is used to time the engine. Rich Hartung How to safely remove the temp gage end from the side of the engine head.docx

I did some research on Non-Detergent and detergent motor oils: read the attached article it might be of interest to everyone. This is also going to be posted in my local AACA club. Everyones input is of importance so do not feel that you will hurt my feelings. I am just reporting on what I was able find while doing a search on detergent and non-detergent motor oils. Rich Hartung Desoto1939@aol.com detergent vs non detergent motor oil.docx

I looked in my wagner brake catalog and looked up the master cylinder info for your car. You use the filler cap # FC4073 and the gasket is FC5922. refer to the picture 13c which is the filler cap and the gasket which is listed below it as FC522 Then go to picture 14 filler cap gasket FC5922 is listed as a fibre gasket 1 17/64 - 1 1/2 If you go to a Napa store with this information they might have it in stock or can order you one. This is again where having cross reference and old car manufacture catalogs comes in handy. On the last page go to the bottom of the sheet and look at FE17632 that is your master cylinder for your car Rich Hartung Desoto1939@aol.com

if you have the correct dist in your car which should be IGS4207-1 for a USA P15 or Canadian P15 the dist is model IGS4208b-1. Both take the following Autolite parts: Cap IGC-1107s Rotor: IGS-1016B Contact set IGP-3028ES Condensor IG-3927G Breaker Plate IGS-3004 The Standard or Bluestreak numbers are: AL98 Rotor same as IGS-1016B AL96 Dist Cap same as IG-1070s You use the same components that I use on my 1939 desoto so from 1939-1948 the 6 cylinder mopar cars all used the same internal dist components. I like the Autolite parts since they were the original parts that MoPar put on the car. Rich hartung

Plymouthy: yes I agree in regards to the color of the Durham bodied car. Does not seem to be period correctness on the color. But the coach work of being a Durham Custom Bodies car is the main point that I am trying to point out and that it is a local car from the Philadelphia area and you do not get the opportunity to see a durham bodied car and or even truck. In another local museum call 3 dog garage which is also in Boyertown there is a Model B ford truck that has a custom body that was designed by the Durham Body works. Rich Hartung

Last weekend my local AACA club went on a car tour and we went to the Boyertown Car Museum in Boyertown, PA. The museum is the old Boyertown Truck Body Manufacturing Plant. Boyertown Boded trucks were their main business and they were very popular in our area. If you ever get to the Allentown or Chester County area plan a visit. They trace the history of all vehicles from sleight, coaches-buggies, bicycles and cars and trucks that have either been manufactured within the tri county area. Some very unique cars and trucks. When I first entered the museum I saw the back end on 1937 Chrysler and from the rear I knew it was a Durham Bodied car. Durham body works is a famous custom body compnay that was located in Rosemont, Pa which is next to Villanova near Villanova college. Upon reading the attached poster on this car I also learned that Durham Body Works was at one time a Chrysler Desoto dealership. The current building is nw the Algar Motor company that sell lotus and other high prices cars. Also of note is that the picture of the one carriage was made by the Wolfington Coach Company that later on became the Wolfington Desoto dealership located at 34 and Chestnut street in Philadelphia, PA. The dealership is closed but the name is still being used in Exton PA as the Wolfington Bus Company. I have shown my 1939 Desoto to the Great Grandson that nw runs the Bus company and told him that my 1939 Desoto was sold out of the Wolfington Dealership back in 1939. Also during my visit he informed me that the Wolfington dealership also did custom bodied cars and that they would share between them and Durham when ever they needed additional experienced craftsman. I told the tour guide about the history of my car and they then took pictures of my car after our tour was completed. I have attached pictures of these cars and the carriage for your viewing pleasure. Rich Hartung desoto1939@aol.com

we all know that just within the last year the cost of food, living, clothing has gone up along with gas. So trying to compare parts and engine prices with todays cost versus 2003 which is 21 years ago basically is irrelevant. If you want to play that you have to pay. So can i compare the cost to strip my 1939 Desoto to bare metal, all the doors removed fenders removed glass tkaen out and replaced with new glass, new headliner installed, new tires installed on painted rim and pin striped and the painter even helped me assemble the car and this price of $2900 included all of the above. Yes $2900 cash so can i compare that to todays cost, not really. Five new ribbed Goodyears white wall tires now cost me $1500 plus mounting back in 1996 I paid around $625. So yes prices have gone up and so have the manufacturing costs and also the supply factor to consider. Look at the price to take your car to the mechanic getting $150 hr at the dealership and maybe more, INFLATION has ARRIVED. Rich Hartung Desoto1939@aol.com

I took my old original pp that was in the car a long time ago. Around 1990 I had the clutch plate and pressure plate installed. I matched up the bolt holes and the bolt hole on the one that I got at Hershey and both PP align up perfectly. And both are a 10 inch PP disk. It is a rebuilt PP and I picked this rebuilt PP up at Hershey for only, and yes this is the correct price, of $5. The seller was tired of carrying the item and did not want to take it home with him. I measured the plate and it was 10 inches and my 39 Desoto uses the 10 inch plate. At the same time he had two water distribution tubes of sale had $25 each. Said he had a deal for me and I got both of them for $15, gave him 20 then gave me 5 inchange, then saw the PP on the ground, picked it up, inspected it saw that it was the correct model, a little surface rust of the exterior side of the plate, but no pitting, He said give him the 5 dollars that he just handed to me and the pp is mine. Transaction completed. For $5 why not give it a try. So there are good items to find at Hershey just have to be the lucky guy this time. I know one friend of mine purchased a NOS Sisson Choke for his Dodge last year for only the total outstanding price of $10. This year I also found a a panel and dash light switch for my 39 Desoto for only $3.00, picked that up at a MoPar vender. So you have to look at these different vendors and do a total look over and if something catches your eye then go in a do some shopping, you never know what is hidden on a table. Rich hartung

Ok, need some help. Went to Hershey and pickup a B&B type 10A7 pressure plate. This is the type that was used on out MoPar cars. The plate is 10 inches across. On the cover they have stamped # 1368 and another number is xxed out but think it might be 972 but not sure. i matched the mounting hole of a PP that i had taken out of my 39 Desoto. I have checked my B&B pressure plate and clutch catalog and can not find any thing on the number 1319. I got it for a good price but trying to determine if it will fit my car or what cars and years. Anyone that might have some info please contact me at desoto1939@aol.com. Thes PP came in a deal of two water dist tubes one 23 and the other a 25 inch water tube. The deal was to good to pass up. I have helped others so now its my time to ask for help. Rich hartung desoto1939@aol.com

even thought you circled the item in the wire diagram we still need more close up picture of those items to even have any idea of what they are because they are so small. Zoom in on your cell camera of these items and maybe take an individual photo of each. Rich hartung

her is the tool used to get the seal and arm back into proper seating. taken from my Miller Tool catalog. Tool number c-736. I have never seen this tool listed on Ebay but that does not mean that someone might have one for sale at sometime. Rich hartung desoto1939@aol.com

Here is another point of view. On my 2019 Honda CRV the oil filter is a spin on filter but the filter is in a vertical position so that when you loosen the filter to remove it all of the oil runs down your arm and then you have to have a container to directly catch the used oil and it is a messy job. But on my older ford Five hundred the oil filter was set in a horizontal position and was at the front of the engine and was easy to remove. When loosening the filter the oil would run out and directly fall into the collection container and it did not run all over the place. And there was no mess. So why do engineers design such stupid locations for oil filters instead of designing them to be an each replaceable item and make it easy for the mechanic and or home mechanic. On my volo you have to loosen the lid prior to draining the oil so that the oil in the filter canister drains out with the engine oil. It is a tight fit to get the old filter out on the engine bay and installed but no entirely frustrating like the spin on filter on the old slant six engines and also on some of the fiftys Desoto where you have to stand on your head and have extra long arms. Rich Hartung

Plymouthy: i do see your point. But I have a 2009 Volvo V70 that has a drop in filter element that is made by the Mann company and also on my 2015 Toyoto it also has a filter that is inserted into a housing. So if the spin on units are an improvement then why are some of the major car manufacturers still using the drop in filter elements and some of these units can now handle upto 10k miles before changing out the filter and oil. Rich Hartung

The use of the above spin on filter is an option but what do you gain? The system is still a bypass filter setup. If you are looking to be more original looking and not so modern then the spin on filter is ok. But if you take the car to a show to be judged then you will get point taken off because of the modern filter. if you have a driver then go this route with the modern filter adapter and setup. With the above filter setup when removing the filter element is there any oil that runs out of the adapter and then spills onto the engine block? When i use the metal canister style I get very little oil dripping and then clean out the remaining oil with a turkey baster from the dollar store. When removing the old oil filter I have a plastic coffer container that I can immediately drop the old filter into to lessen any oil spills. either system is fine and is a personal choice to each owner. Rich hartung desoto1939@aol.com

The wixx 51010 and the Napa gold 1010 are the same filter. Wixx just puts the 5 infront of the number. I have used both in my 1939 desoto that has an AC brand canister. I originally had the metal can throwaway (Fram PB 1/2) but they became to expensive.. Rich hartung desoto1939@aol.com

Our most respected MoPar dealer MoParpro has the gas tank ferrule for your 52. He only has one left. Cost $28.02 FOR 1952 PLYMOUTH DODGE DESOTO CHRYSLER CRUSH FUEL TANK LINE BRASS FERRULE Rich Hartung desoto1939@aol.com

I know of white post resortation and also there are several restorations shop in the area front royal Virginia. Feel rea bad about your situation. Have you contact you antique car insurance company to get an estimate of what they will cover or are they declaring it a total loss on each car or truck. Rich hartung desoto1939@aol.com

If you have the lockheed brake system with the step bores setup in the cylinders the factory setup is having the longest lining on the front of the drum and the short lining on the rear of the drum. This is how my service manual shows this on my 1939 Desoto. When you put the linings on the other way you are reffering to a Bendix brake system that has the same size pitson in the wheel cylinders. Chrysler does the opposite because of the step bore system and they are not equalized system. Rich Hartung

Yes thursday is the real last day of the swap meet. Everyone basically packs up and goes home becasue most people are only going to the car show on Friday. Mondayis packin day for the venders to setup their site ad get their items out. Sometime you can find items but still have to walk alot. Tues is the official start and Wendesay is the second day with Thursday the wind down day. If you can spend the 4 days then you can walk most of the fields. It would be better if they could organize the venders by some sort of order by GM, FORD and Mopar and then just general mechandise. But I have found that the sellers that have all kinds of items might have the odd ball part and some of the times they do not even know what it might fit and you can get some good items. About 20 years ago there would be venders that would buy in odd lots of stuff and they would sell items in the large container for $5.00 for each item. i pickup some great items like switches and other small parts. You could spend a whole day just in one box. Those were the good old days. Rich hartung desoto1939@aol.com

To the posters that recently purchased dead batteries from NAPA or any other company this is a very bad policy for their store and company. Since each battery has a manufacture date on the battery it is the direct responsibility of the store management to rotate their stock and to also verify the dates on the batteries. If they are not doing that process then they are not checking their supplies. I would write back to the headquarters of each company to let them know what is happening and then ask for a rebate because of having to take the first abtteryy back and then get a second replacement battery. Most companies want your repeat business so they might throw you a refund or a gift cert for your next purchase. I always keep a pulse battery charger on my 6v 1939 Desoto and this seems to make my batters last longer. But the seller should be always looking at the manufacture date prior to selling you a battery. Rich Hartung Desoto1939@aol.com

Is it a single or a double rely? So basically there is a power source from your battery or other hot line. Then there should be a low beam and a high beam connecter tab. There also should be a connecter tab from the dimmer switch So the purpose is that you are not supplying the electrical current through your dash switch but directing the current in a more direct mode to the relay and then the relay is providing the direct current to the appropriate headlights. Look for stamped letters on each tab on the relay and this might help you understand the wiring setup. rich hartung desoto1939@aol.com

Chris: You were at the correct spot and that was my car. I was open on Tues/Wed and then on thursday i decided to do some walking of the fields. Sorry that I missed you. Hope you found some parts for your car. i plan to be at the 2025 Hershey event next year. Did you get to see any of the cars on the show field? Rich hartung