230 pilot bearing

[rcl700]

Do the 218s and and 230s use the same pilot bearing /bushing?

I belive my motor is a 1953 -230.

Just want to make sure I order the correct bearing.

If someone has P/N that would also be helpful.  

[Sniper]

Chrysler has used the same pilot bushing from the 20's thru the 80's.  53298 is the part number. 

 

Buy a parts manual when you get your pilot bushing.

[rcl700]

Thank you Sir! 

Most helpful 

[rcl700]

Looking over the piolt bushing I was provided with my clutch rebuild I see that the old bushing was brass looking material maked oil light (damaged). The new one is steel (magnetic). Any thoughts on using the steel bushing? 

Should I be looking for another brass type instead of using the one pictured? 

[Sniper]

Oilite is a sintered bronze material that is self lubricating.  Chrysler has used to for 70+ years, I'd pass on the steel one.

 

You can punch in the mopar part number, 53298, into NAPA's website and they sell the bushing for under $5.

 

Autozone wants $25, pass, lol.

 

Dorman Bearing 690-005 works too

 

 

Edited May 2 by Sniper

[Ivan_B]

I was also under impression that softer metals are usually used for such applications where there is not much lubrication and sliding friction involved. How's steel expected to work? Wouldn't it either eat away the input shaft of the crankshaft side? 🤔

[Los_Control]

As a young lad I asked a Bandag engineer why they installed brass parts on a $100k machine ...

The brass guides are there as a sacrificial piece so the 8' steel runners do not wear out.

 

Makes sense in that application, replacing the rails would have been about the same as replacing the frame of your car .....  Much easier to replace some brass guides.

 

So a steel bushing for the transmission shaft makes no sense. We want the bushing .... The sacrificial piece to wear, not the transmission shaft.

 

Just my opinion a steel bushing against a steel shaft is a terrible idea .... I do like the thoughts of steel roller bearings for a pilot shaft .... oiltite work fine.

[Plymouthy Adams]

On 3/13/2024 at 1:46 PM, Sniper said:

Chrysler has used the same pilot bushing from the 20's thru the 80's.  53298 is the part number. 

 

Buy a parts manual when you get your pilot bushing.

 

As an added fact, it was a Chrysler engineer that developed the oilite bearing....

[Dave72dt]

I believe it is a sintered bushing regardless of the color.  It's hard to believe a rebuild company would send a bushing that was going to tear up an input shaft.  Modern pilot bushings are made from a variety of materials

[Sniper]

43 minutes ago, Dave72dt said:

I believe it is a sintered bushing regardless of the color.  It's hard to believe a rebuild company would send a bushing that was going to tear up an input shaft.  Modern pilot bushings are made from a variety of materials

 

Op says it's magnetic, which rules out it being the appropriate oilite bushing,

[rcl700]

I did test it with a magnet because of the weight and color of the replacement. It was magnetic. I followed the advice of Sniper and ordered from NAPA. 

I thought it was strange too. 

 

Edited May 2 by rcl700

[Dave72dt]

I read the "magnetic" part earlier.  That doesn't mean it can't be a sintered bushing or that it wouldn't work well.  Maybe the clutch company can give more details on it's composition and why they included that one instead of the traditional bronze.  You may want to check input shaft fit prior to trans install.

[Sniper]

Point is, if it is magnetic it is NOT oilite.

 

What it is made of, who knows.  It may be sintered metal, but more than likely it's an overseas interpretation of what a pilot bushing is.  Changing a clutch is enough of a PITB as it is and for the minimal cost to get the specified bushing it makes sense to do it now, rather than find out whatever that bushing was it wasn't right and now you get to do it again. 

 

No thanks, I am lazy, I prefer to do the job right, do it once and never have to mess with it again,

[Ivan_B]

Since TS ordered another one, let's try to crush this one in a press to see if anything comes out

[desoto1939]

Some history on the oilite bearing developed by Chrysler and Carl Breer the designer of the airflow:

 

 

 

Below id the correct way to install a pilot bushing in our old MoPar's. There isa a special tool used to install and to burnish the bearing. Note that it aso states not to ream the bearing.  I have this tool and several of my Mopar friends have use the tool. You can sometimes fined this tool on Ebay.

 

 

Another great engineering product from the Chrylser Motor Division and everyone thinks GM/FORD are the best, Think again you FURD and Chebby owners.

 

Rich Hartung

Desoto1939@aol.com

Edited May 4 by desoto1939

[FarmerJon]

The Timken PB286 that was just delivered is USA made, and has a nice chamfer on the lead edge to help it press into the crank smoothly. Despite being bronze colored, it IS magnetic. 

Edited May 4 by FarmerJon

[kencombs]

3 hours ago, FarmerJon said:

The Timken PB286 that was just delivered is USA made, and has a nice chamfer on the lead edge to help it press into the crank smoothly. Despite being bronze colored, it IS magnetic. 

Probably sintered metal that is partially iron powder.   If it is only partial iron the magnetic pull will be markedly less that a normal steel/iron piece.  Including iron in the mix doesn't necessarily make the whole a bad thing.   I'd be inclined to trust the name.   Timken has a long history or quality.

Edited May 4 by kencombs

[FarmerJon]

Yes, I trust Timken, and plan on using this. I just posted it since others have implied that magnetic bearings are unwanted offshore frugality. 

 

A quick search turns up:

https://www.oilite.com/super-oilite

"Iron-Based Sintered Product Impregnated with Extreme Pressure Synthetic AM3-SPD™."