oldodge41 Posted January 16, 2023 Report Posted January 16, 2023 Anyone used a disc brake kit from https://www.tsmmfg.net/ ? I don't remember seeing their kits before. Quote
Plymouthy Adams Posted January 16, 2023 Report Posted January 16, 2023 quick view of their product show a great deal of additional work compared to others kits available. Cost are a bit higher for base kit without regard to additional work you will be doing also then the flagged banner of parts delays possible. Don't get me wrong...the other kits have issues and certain amount of customer intervention also. I will only add that you should read close and compare the kits as to what you are capable of modifying yourself as any farming out of tasks will set you back in installation time and additional cost. Quote
Sniper Posted January 16, 2023 Report Posted January 16, 2023 8 minutes ago, allbizz49 said: Rusty Hope. Not I did a review on their kit for my 51. The level of thought that went into it can be summed up like this, "what is the least possible amount of effort can I put into this kit to make it eventually work?" It shows in the parts and the instructions. Quote
Sam Buchanan Posted January 16, 2023 Report Posted January 16, 2023 (edited) I'm pleased with the installation and performance of the Scarebird kit with hubs on my P15. https://p15-d24.com/topic/58096-scarebird-disc-brake-conversion-p15/#comment-625750 Update: I just checked the Scarebird website and it appears the kit for my car is no longer available. I don't know if this is a temp supply chain issue or long-term. Edited January 16, 2023 by Sam Buchanan Quote
allbizz49 Posted January 16, 2023 Report Posted January 16, 2023 I've installed a few Rusty Hope kits without issues. Scarebird is fine if you don't want to run your stock wheels. My personal dailies all have drums. Quote
Sam Buchanan Posted January 16, 2023 Report Posted January 16, 2023 5 minutes ago, allbizz49 said: I've installed a few Rusty Hope kits without issues. Scarebird is fine if you don't want to run your stock wheels. My personal dailies all have drums. I'm running the stock 15" wheels with Scarebird on my '48 P15. Quote
Los_Control Posted January 16, 2023 Report Posted January 16, 2023 I understand scarebird is gone .... here is a post copied & pasted from another forum .... I click on the link & goes nowhere. Just suggesting scarebird is no longer a option. We have RustyHope & now this site being discussed in this thread. Damn, another company folding due to COVID/supply chain problems. Here’s their website announcement: Scarebird closing Due to latent supply constraints from Covid-19, we have decided to shut down operation effective end of 2022. Items still listed are available - those not listed will not be replenished. Phone is not is use - please email us direct:tech@scarebird.com We sincerely appreciate your patience. Website will revert to info only regarding kits previously sold in 2023. 1 Quote
nonstop Posted January 16, 2023 Report Posted January 16, 2023 I bought a budget Scarebird kit for my truck (one of the few kits they had left), now just need time to put it on. I am curious about this place: https://www.rusticdiscbrakes.com/ Has anyone dealt with them before? Looks like they use off the shelf parts, except rotors, which may still be off the shelf, but just modified… Quote
Sam Buchanan Posted January 16, 2023 Report Posted January 16, 2023 Appears to be the same kits referenced in the first post of this thread. Quote
Sniper Posted January 16, 2023 Report Posted January 16, 2023 (edited) Make your own https://p15-d24.com/topic/28870-front-disk-conversion-project/ Edited January 16, 2023 by Sniper Quote
OUTFXD Posted January 17, 2023 Report Posted January 17, 2023 How hard is it to machine stock hubs to work with the scarebird kit? Quote
bartenderfloyd Posted January 17, 2023 Report Posted January 17, 2023 Has anyone tried the one at Bernbaum? https://www.oldmoparts.com/parts/g_service_brakes/front-disc-brake-converstion-kit-for-1949-1954-plymouth-dodge-wayfarer-10-brakes-and-standard-transmission/ Quote
OUTFXD Posted January 17, 2023 Report Posted January 17, 2023 1 hour ago, OUTFXD said: How hard is it to machine stock hubs to work with the scarebird kit? NM. just went to their sight and they are out of year appropriate kits. Guess word got out and vintage auto enthusiasts made a run on the company. Quote
Sam Buchanan Posted January 17, 2023 Report Posted January 17, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, bartenderfloyd said: Has anyone tried the one at Bernbaum? https://www.oldmoparts.com/parts/g_service_brakes/front-disc-brake-converstion-kit-for-1949-1954-plymouth-dodge-wayfarer-10-brakes-and-standard-transmission/ Looks like that is an ECI kit. https://www.ecihotrodbrakes.com/dodge_plymouth_discbrake_conversions Edited January 17, 2023 by Sam Buchanan 1 Quote
Doug&Deb Posted January 17, 2023 Report Posted January 17, 2023 The Scarebird kit was a direct bolt on for my Coronet. No issues whatsoever. I’m sad that they are out of business. I received great customer support from them. Quote
Adam H P15 D30 Posted January 17, 2023 Report Posted January 17, 2023 21 hours ago, allbizz49 said: Rusty Hope. This ^^^^ Installed with NO issues 1 Quote
SuperGas61 Posted January 23, 2023 Report Posted January 23, 2023 On 1/16/2023 at 11:36 PM, Sam Buchanan said: Looks like that is an ECI kit. https://www.ecihotrodbrakes.com/dodge_plymouth_discbrake_conversions And for some reason, the Bernbaum kit ($1500) is almost twice as expensive as the ECI kit ($825)... Quote
Sniper Posted January 23, 2023 Report Posted January 23, 2023 6 minutes ago, SuperGas61 said: And for some reason, the Bernbaum kit ($1500) is almost twice as expensive as the ECI kit ($825)... ECi does not include everything Bernbaum does. AB kit includes Aluminum hubs with grease caps (in ECI kit) New GM rotors and “big piston” calipers and pads (in ECI kit) All mounting bolts, seals, bearings, caliper mounting brackets and attaching hardware (in ECI kit) Flexible brake hoses (not in ECI kit) New dual chamber master cylinder (not in ECI kit) All bracketing and hardware to install the new master cylinder in the original location, and with correct interface with stock pedal system. (not in ECI kit) Correct metering valves to maintain appropriate residual pressure in system. This is critical and is why many “home built” conversion kits don’t work properly! (not in ECI kit) Quote
Sam Buchanan Posted January 23, 2023 Report Posted January 23, 2023 (edited) True. What I intended to state is that the AB kit appears to consist of components sourced from ECI. Edited January 23, 2023 by Sam Buchanan Quote
Sniper Posted January 23, 2023 Report Posted January 23, 2023 True, You can add the under floor M/C setup from ECI for around $350, but they don't specifically list a set of hoses or a prop valve so who knows what that would add. You may end up a wash here. Quote
SuperGas61 Posted January 23, 2023 Report Posted January 23, 2023 25 minutes ago, Sniper said: ECi does not include everything Bernbaum does. AB kit includes Aluminum hubs with grease caps (in ECI kit) New GM rotors and “big piston” calipers and pads (in ECI kit) All mounting bolts, seals, bearings, caliper mounting brackets and attaching hardware (in ECI kit) Flexible brake hoses (not in ECI kit) New dual chamber master cylinder (not in ECI kit) All bracketing and hardware to install the new master cylinder in the original location, and with correct interface with stock pedal system. (not in ECI kit) Correct metering valves to maintain appropriate residual pressure in system. This is critical and is why many “home built” conversion kits don’t work properly! (not in ECI kit) Thanks, Sniper! Quote
SuperGas61 Posted January 23, 2023 Report Posted January 23, 2023 22 minutes ago, Sam Buchanan said: True. What I intended to state is that the AB kit appears to consist of components sourced from ECI. No, thanks for heads-up! The price difference just grabbed my attention... Quote
Los_Control Posted January 23, 2023 Report Posted January 23, 2023 I have never looked at either one of those kits .... imho, adding a master cylinder with all needed hardware for installation is a game changer. In fact is the first I'm aware there was such a kit .... I wonder if they sell the master cylinder kit separate? I might have to check into that. Switching to disk brakes is a project. Switching to a two stage master cylinder is a completely different project. For that reason I would expect ECI kit to be twice the cost of Berbaum kit. And exactly why I will use Rustyhope & a Toyota master cylinder Quote
Sam Buchanan Posted January 23, 2023 Report Posted January 23, 2023 39 minutes ago, Los_Control said: I have never looked at either one of those kits .... imho, adding a master cylinder with all needed hardware for installation is a game changer. In fact is the first I'm aware there was such a kit .... I wonder if they sell the master cylinder kit separate? I might have to check into that. Switching to disk brakes is a project. Switching to a two stage master cylinder is a completely different project. For that reason I would expect ECI kit to be twice the cost of Berbaum kit. And exactly why I will use Rustyhope & a Toyota master cylinder The ECI disc kit for your truck: EC-757CK - Complete Kit $ 825.00 I don't know what kind of pedals your truck has but here are some Chrysler master cylinder conversion kits: https://www.ecihotrodbrakes.com/chrysler-master-cylinder-assemblies Quote
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