TodFitch Posted September 17, 2009 Report Posted September 17, 2009 I saw this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CU-k0XmLUk linked to from a thread over at the AACA forum http://forums.aaca.org/f169/those-you-profess-how-safe-our-268741.html I found it interesting and thought I'd pass it on. Quote
greg g Posted September 17, 2009 Report Posted September 17, 2009 Thanks Todd, I feel much better about driving the P15 to Maryland next week. I wonder if the engine was still in place in the 59, and did you notice the cloud of rust coming from the Impala??? If you look closely it looks like the 6 cylinder style air cleaner flies out from under the hood, so I wonder if our safety counsel friends may have made some "adjustments" to the old car. Quote
Reg Evans Posted September 17, 2009 Report Posted September 17, 2009 One of the reasons I like to keep down around 55 or 60 mph in my old cars and try and watch other drivers like a hawk. Quote
Young Ed Posted September 17, 2009 Report Posted September 17, 2009 Didn't they also pick a car that was kinda known for having a poorly designed frame? Didnt a 59 chevy have an X frame that was weak? I'll tell you my 48 plymouth took on an f150 at about 30mph and while it was trashed I was fine. Last saturday our POC region president was on the way home from a Ford club meet in a 56 1/2 ton pickup. Some 17yo without insurance thought he could turn in front of him and make it. He didn't make it. They didn't say what type of car he got hit by but the picture of it looked like a mid 90s GM fullsize like a bonneville 88/98 etc. Now they do have some injuries from hitting the steering wheel and his wife the windshield/dash but they both will be ok. No news officially but its believed both car and truck are totalled. Quote
Young Ed Posted September 17, 2009 Report Posted September 17, 2009 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/iihs-2009-chevy-malibu-vs-1959-chev-bel-air-just-because-they-can/ lots of opinions here Quote
Don Coatney Posted September 17, 2009 Report Posted September 17, 2009 Didn't they also pick a car that was kinda known for having a poorly designed frame? . In the early 70's when I was living in the rust belt I had a 63 shiverlay two door hardtop. The rear springs rusted into two pieces so I replaced them. Then one day as I was driving over a bumpy rail road track I hear a low pitched groan from the indercarriage. I continued driving on to home and parked in the driveway. Once parked I could not open the door and had to exit the car NASCAR style through the drivers window. Stuck my head under the car and found the frame had rusted through completely and collapsed. Quote
T120 Posted September 17, 2009 Report Posted September 17, 2009 QUOTE=Reg Evans;154571]One of the reasons I like to keep down around 55 or 60 mph in my old cars and try and watch other drivers like a hawk. I feel quite comfortable and safe driving my old cars and as Reg mentioned, I'm also not in a hurry and generally pick the routes I prefer to drive. Quote
P15Mike Posted September 17, 2009 Report Posted September 17, 2009 I'm a Auto damage appraiser for a reputable Insurance company . I just looked at a 2001 Acura that was hit from behind at about 40 mph and pushed out into oncoming traffic and was then hit by a 2006 Dodge 1500 4x4 at about 45 degrees .My guess , the speed was about 45 to 50 mph at impact . The driver of the Acura was DOA per the police reports and the driver of the Dodge had minor cuts/bruises . I do agree that technology HAS come a long way , but give me the bigger vehicles , believe me it matters ..... As far as the damages went the Acura's floor and r/uniside was pushed all the way over to the drivers seat (i.e the head trauma sustained) and i had a tuff time TRYING to total loss the Truck ! Mike Quote
Frank Elder Posted September 17, 2009 Report Posted September 17, 2009 If that had been an imperial instead......:DFull frame like a truck, and banned from the demo derbies. Quote
Shifticus Posted September 17, 2009 Report Posted September 17, 2009 While not my favorite body style, that 59 looked like it was in decent shape. I find it unfortunate that they felt a need to do this... I think any competent human being could've told you what the outcome would be! Despite my upchuck reflex, I still had to watch the whole thing through... Quote
47heaven Posted September 18, 2009 Report Posted September 18, 2009 That was interesting, as well as alarming. I never knew that the older cars would fold in like that. It almost looked like the Chevy's hood and fenders were not bolted on by the way they came loose. I always thought that the cars' tops from that time were poorly engineered because of the way the curved pilar was designed in the front. I would think that our cars would tend to be made a little more solid then the mid to late 50's models. When I get in my Plymouth, I always think about how I could get into an accident and how to prepare myself to avoid one by not speeding in heavy traffic and watching the people who make a left turn in front of me. I assume that if I have a collision from the front, I'm going to hit the steering wheel for sure. So, I am careful and give it great thought before I go out for a drive. Looking at the pics below it seems that in a lot of head on collisions involving 1930's -1940's cars, the pasenger compartments tend to look intact and not folded in like how it did on the '59 Chevy. The last two pics show how solid the cars were by how they collided and one fell completely over on it's side. Even though some of the cars didn't fold in, I'm sure that the driver and passengers were seriouly injured, if not killed in these collisions. Quote
TodFitch Posted September 18, 2009 Author Report Posted September 18, 2009 Looks like the driver in the car on the right did not fare well, notice how the steering wheel is deformed and pushed up and the seat has moved forward. Quote
PatS.... Posted September 18, 2009 Report Posted September 18, 2009 Compare this new Chinese car to the 59 Chevy... Quote
Young Ed Posted September 18, 2009 Report Posted September 18, 2009 I can say from first hand experience I don't recommend crashing to anyone. Today is 1year anniversary of mine. This is a p15 vs a 2006 F150 at about 30. Quote
Plymouthy Adams Posted September 18, 2009 Report Posted September 18, 2009 Looks like the driver in the car on the right did not fare well, notice how the steering wheel is deformed and pushed up and the seat has moved forward. forget the wheel...look at the column itself...nice arc along its entire length..remember there is yet a steel steering shaft beneath the outer sleeve...that was some force to shift these molecules.. Quote
p10plymouth Posted September 18, 2009 Report Posted September 18, 2009 What I learned about "todays engineering Vs old engineering" is weight always (mass) wins in a head to head.. It would of been nice to know what the weight of each car where. Also it would be interesting to know how two 59 Chevrolet's would of handled that hit then find out how two newer cars would of done with its own ... Point is if the newer engineers car will do this much damage to a older (posibly heavier) car .."HOw does the Motor Vehicle allow any one to hot rod or modify a car " I am surprised no one sued the State for allowing such modifications to be done with out signing a warning. Quote
blueskies Posted September 18, 2009 Report Posted September 18, 2009 forget the wheel...look at the column itself...nice arc along its entire length..remember there is yet a steel steering shaft beneath the outer sleeve...that was some force to shift these molecules.. This is precisely why I have three point belts in my car... front and rear. The seats fly around on impact, and they weigh a bunch. The dash and steering column are much harder than my head and chest... Pete Quote
47heaven Posted September 19, 2009 Report Posted September 19, 2009 I can say from first hand experience I don't recommend crashing to anyone. Today is 1year anniversary of mine. This is a p15 vs a 2006 F150 at about 30. Oh man, Ed. That's terrible! Did you get hurt? Quote
47heaven Posted September 19, 2009 Report Posted September 19, 2009 forget the wheel...look at the column itself...nice arc along its entire length..remember there is yet a steel steering shaft beneath the outer sleeve...that was some force to shift these molecules.. I think my biggest fear is the person who's waiting to make a left hand turn in my path. Those are the ones that make me nervous Quote
rolliejoe Posted September 19, 2009 Report Posted September 19, 2009 I think my biggest fear is the person who's waiting to make a left hand turn in my path. Those are the ones that make me nervous especially when your on a motorcycle. Quote
greg g Posted September 19, 2009 Report Posted September 19, 2009 When I drive the Plymouth, I use my motorcycle awarness level, and have my head on a swivel. What gets me is the gawkers who pull up and check the car over then give you the thumbs up all the while drifting into your lane, then they get bent out of shape when I wave them away, because I'm being rude or unapreciative of their attention. Quote
kevinanderson Posted September 20, 2009 Report Posted September 20, 2009 I did notice allot of rust "dust" on the passenger side shot of the '59. As for other drivers drifting into you, I had an older fellow drift at me into a 4 lane's medium with a Suburban while driving my '68 4dr Continental. I literally had to punch it and blast out of the brome doing about 85. Traffic was moving about 65 and my only clear shot was straight ahead and out before an emergency turn out. Thank God for plenty of horsepower. There could have been 2.5 tons of Lincoln flying in the air. Quote
Young Ed Posted September 20, 2009 Report Posted September 20, 2009 Oh man, Ed. That's terrible! Did you get hurt? Not physically. I was quite shaken up though. Quote
47heaven Posted September 21, 2009 Report Posted September 21, 2009 Not physically. I was quite shaken up though. Okay...duh! This was the one with the tree fell on. I forgot about that. LOL Quote
Young Ed Posted September 21, 2009 Report Posted September 21, 2009 Okay...duh! This was the one with the tree fell on. I forgot about that. LOL No tree involved here. I colided with an F150. Bob T lost one to a tree. They are still working on re-roofing it. Quote
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