JamesF Posted October 7, 2019 Report Posted October 7, 2019 Hi all, I’m looking for a replacement carb for my 218 IL 6 Plymouth engine. What’s there is a Carter Ball and Ball that is worn out to the point that a new rebuild kit still won’t stop the leaks. I’d be open to a good rebuilt or even a new one if I must. any ideas? thanks in advance James Fuller 1 Quote
Bbdakota Posted October 7, 2019 Report Posted October 7, 2019 I got tired of problems with the old carb and I put one of the cheap yf carter type carbs one my 230 and have been completely satisfied with it. May be a bit oversized for a 218 but it's cheap. I made an adapter to use the original filter housing. https://www.ebay.com/i/123713684661?chn=ps&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-117182-37290-0&mkcid=2&itemid=123713684661&targetid=807357882469&device=m&mktype=pla&googleloc=9012946&poi=&campaignid=1497794122&mkgroupid=56281259685&rlsatarget=pla-807357882469&abcId=1139466&merchantid=101701239&gclid=CjwKCAjwxOvsBRAjEiwAuY7L8ps_YrftL1T--W56BzoiCUXIcfVNgk12KCTyIkypIcdOosRlqvGzIBoCfJgQAvD_BwE 1 Quote
vintage6t Posted October 7, 2019 Report Posted October 7, 2019 Saw this rebuilt one for sale on the HAMB the other day. https://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads/carter-one-barrel-carb-ball-ball-chrysler-rebuilt.1164058/ Quote
Solution Sniper Posted October 7, 2019 Solution Report Posted October 7, 2019 How did you wire the choke? Quote
Sam Buchanan Posted October 7, 2019 Report Posted October 7, 2019 7 hours ago, JamesF said: Hi all, I’m looking for a replacement carb for my 218 IL 6 Plymouth engine. What’s there is a Carter Ball and Ball that is worn out to the point that a new rebuild kit still won’t stop the leaks. I’d be open to a good rebuilt or even a new one if I must. any ideas? thanks in advance James Fuller Take a look at this: https://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo.php?pk=1124845&jsn=3 Quote
plymouthcranbrook Posted October 8, 2019 Report Posted October 8, 2019 So is the YF carter carb a direct bolt on for the intake manifold on a 218? What about the linkage, fabricate or? And choke hook up? Looks interesting. Quote
Sam Buchanan Posted October 8, 2019 Report Posted October 8, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, plymouthcranbrook said: So is the YF carter carb a direct bolt on for the intake manifold on a 218? What about the linkage, fabricate or? And choke hook up? Looks interesting. text deleted Edited October 8, 2019 by Sam Buchanan responded to wrong post...past my bed-time.... Quote
Bbdakota Posted October 8, 2019 Report Posted October 8, 2019 5 hours ago, plymouthcranbrook said: So is the YF carter carb a direct bolt on for the intake manifold on a 218? What about the linkage, fabricate or? And choke hook up? Looks interesting. The only modifications I needed to make was elongate the holes in the gasket. For the linkage, I elected to grind off the ball fitting on the yf carb and open up the hole to bolt the dodge fitting to the yf carb. That's not necessarily, I found a quick release type ball fitting with the correct threads that would screw onto the factory linkage. As far as the choke, it has a automatic choke. There is a fitting on the choke housing to pull heated air across the choke spring. I used a brake line routed down around the exhaust. Actually, some previous owner put a small heat shield on the exhaust. 3 Quote
Sniper Posted October 8, 2019 Report Posted October 8, 2019 I wonder if an electric choke conversion would be simpler? My 51 uses a bimetallic spring with an electric assist. Not real clear on how the electrical part works though, it is wired to the stud on the starter, according to the FSM that is correct, and that point only gets juice when starting the engine. Quote
plymouthcranbrook Posted October 8, 2019 Report Posted October 8, 2019 (edited) Maybe a manual choke conversion if the one is still available would be good. Thanks for the very good information I'm going to look into it Thinking further, are the bores on the carbs the same or similar? And did you have to do anything to the jets? I was wondering if it might be overjetted. Edited October 8, 2019 by plymouthcranbrook Quote
Old CWO Posted October 10, 2019 Report Posted October 10, 2019 Anyone tried one of those new reproduction universal 1 bbl carbs? I think they are made off-shore (Brazil?) and marketed under the "Daytona" name among others. I have seen one that looks like a Holley 1904 and another that seems to be a Zenith style. They both have an externally adjustable main jet which is sort of a nice feature. Quote
Sniper Posted October 10, 2019 Report Posted October 10, 2019 Nice thing about the 1904 is that it uses regular Holley jets so you can tune it. Quote
Bbdakota Posted October 10, 2019 Report Posted October 10, 2019 On 10/8/2019 at 7:22 AM, plymouthcranbrook said: Maybe a manual choke conversion if the one is still available would be good. Thanks for the very good information I'm going to look into it Thinking further, are the bores on the carbs the same or similar? And did you have to do anything to the jets? I was wondering if it might be overjetted. I didn't even have to adjust the idle on the one I bought. Probably could use a little tuning but it runs great, idle great and the plugs look good. I don't remember on the bores Quote
plymouthcranbrook Posted October 11, 2019 Report Posted October 11, 2019 4 hours ago, Bbdakota said: I didn't even have to adjust the idle on the one I bought. Probably could use a little tuning but it runs great, idle great and the plugs look good. I don't remember on the bores Thanks for the reply. Good information Quote
TodFitch Posted October 11, 2019 Report Posted October 11, 2019 On 10/8/2019 at 5:03 AM, Sniper said: I wonder if an electric choke conversion would be simpler? My 51 uses a bimetallic spring with an electric assist. Not real clear on how the electrical part works though, it is wired to the stud on the starter, according to the FSM that is correct, and that point only gets juice when starting the engine. It it my understanding that the original Sisson automatic choke had a solenoid, energized when starting the car, to pull the choke into the closed position. Then heat would open it up as the car warmed up. My Plymouth is too old to have an automatic choke (first used on the DeLuxe 1934 Plymouth), so my understanding is mostly from reading. Quote
Sniper Posted October 11, 2019 Report Posted October 11, 2019 Thanks for the clarification. Makes sense now. It did get a workout this morning, I hadn't started it since last weekend so that didn't help. Been out of town in the work truck Quote
falconvan Posted October 11, 2019 Report Posted October 11, 2019 I used one of those Ebay YF carbs on my 65 Dodge van slant six. Ran beautiful and I think the carb was less than $100 brand new. Quote
plymouthcranbrook Posted October 11, 2019 Report Posted October 11, 2019 18 hours ago, TodFitch said: It it my understanding that the original Sisson automatic choke had a solenoid, energized when starting the car, to pull the choke into the closed position. Then heat would open it up as the car warmed up. My Plymouth is too old to have an automatic choke (first used on the DeLuxe 1934 Plymouth), so my understanding is mostly from reading. That is correct Quote
DJ194950 Posted October 11, 2019 Report Posted October 11, 2019 How about a changeover for that new YF type carb to a electric choke? Carb at $60+ and new choke at $30, still under a Hundred bill, not too bad! Choke changeover is priced about 1/2-2/3 cost of the carb but not terrible Those adjustable main jet carbs avail as mentioned from Daytona Carb and Mikes Carburetor are nice but at $340 a bit much for me. DJ Quote
YukonJack Posted October 12, 2019 Report Posted October 12, 2019 Just curious. Would the electric choke conversion eliminate the need for the manifold heat tube? Quote
DJ194950 Posted October 12, 2019 Report Posted October 12, 2019 I hope that it does eliminate the tube hence the reason for the electric. I have never done this to a YF carb myself it just dawned on me that there are many electric choke conversions available for many older carbs and just did a web search and came up with the one posted above. There may be more available from different sources but I did not look any further once I found this one. DJ Quote
plymouthcranbrook Posted October 13, 2019 Report Posted October 13, 2019 (edited) I found this as well: https://www.amazon.com/Dorman-HELP-55101-Choke-Conversion/dp/B000CO7CK0/ref=sr_1_3?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIv5nmq46N5QIVDb7ACh0HHwlIEAMYAiAAEgIU7fD_BwE&hvadid=190499673287&hvdev=c&hvlocphy=9021491&hvnetw=g&hvpos=1o2&hvqm And just now this: https://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-FORD-CARBURETOR-YFA-TYPE-CARTER-250-300-ENGINES-6-CIL-1975-1983-ELECTR-CHOKE-/140798859189?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item20c84417b5 Edited October 13, 2019 by plymouthcranbrook Quote
plymouthcranbrook Posted October 13, 2019 Report Posted October 13, 2019 Bbdakota, How long has the carb been on your car? I read a couple of posts elsewhere that spoke about the China made carbs having problems after a few months of use and wondered if you have any info about it. Sounds like a good deal from what you have said in earlier posts. Quote
Bbdakota Posted October 13, 2019 Report Posted October 13, 2019 8 hours ago, plymouthcranbrook said: Bbdakota, How long has the carb been on your car? I read a couple of posts elsewhere that spoke about the China made carbs having problems after a few months of use and wondered if you have any info about it. Sounds like a good deal from what you have said in earlier posts. I've had it since March so about 7 months now. So far no problems with mine. I was a little sceptical but for the price, I wasn't going to lose much money trying it. At first, I didn't hook up the linkage or heat tube. I just bolted it on to try it out. I had no luck with the old carbs and ready to try something different. Quote
1951fargo Posted January 2, 2020 Report Posted January 2, 2020 I would like to install one of these also. When you change to the carter YF style carb what happens to the vacuum advance? Can it be removed? my carter ball and ball has a vacuum line below the carb running to the distributor thanks Quote
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