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[JIPJOBXX]

WILL THIS EFFECT OUR OLD CARS?

http://video.foxbusiness.com/v/2000862202001/

[james49ply]

they say it will, and it will damage the older cars, plus you get far less mpg with the mixed fuel. it is crap gas and does not do what the epa claims it does. another profit maker for the elite and paid for by the consumer. big brother is controlling our lives!

[Tom Skinner]

Gents,

Google gas stations with ethanol free gas in (Your State).

Then scroll down and search. There are many, but the gas costs more.

Is it really designed for the newer flex fuel vehicles maybe? I don't know. I do know one thing, if this country was dedicated to reserving oil supplies and gas usage we would re-instate the speed limit back down to 55 mph and enforce it. It is a proven fact that vehicles obtain their best mpg rating at between 45-55 and even 60 mph, where engines stay below 2000 rpm at cruising speeds.

Knuckle heads barreling down the road at 75 or 80 mph are endangering lives, using more fuel, and basically braking the law. This in turn drives up prices of gas, increases insurance payments (from more wrecks), and endangers lives.

Like the old saying goes "we have met the enemy, and the enemy is us".

Come on America pull together as a team and lets put an end to stupid driving habits. Drive the limits and preserve fuel.

By the way Flat Heads run on anything.

Edited December 23, 2012 by Tom Skinner
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[Dodgeb4ya]

It's more of what damage this ethanol does to the old car metallic fuel systems-tanks, fuel lines and carburetors. Now days the newer cars use mostly modern high tech plastics for use with this lower BTU ethanol fuel, and because of the lower BTU's the gas pedal is pushed down farther because of less power and that causes lower gas mileage. A no win for everybody!

Lets get back to some good fuel!!!

[Young Ed]

Tom we have plenty of ethanol free stations around but you can't put it in modern cars. Its for collector vehicles and small engines only.

[JohnS48plm]

Here in Michigan there are very few non ethanol gas ststions. Almost every station has 10% ethanol or diesel. The few places that have non ethanol are airports and marinas that won't put it in a car. So I run everything on ethanol.

JohnS

[White Spyder]

Gents,

I do know one thing, if this country was dedicated to reserving oil supplies and gas usage we would re-instate the speed limit back down to 55 mph and enforce it. It is a proven fact that vehicles obtain their best mpg rating at between 45-55 and even 60 mph, where engines stay below 2000 rpm at cruising speeds.

Knuckle heads barreling down the road at 75 or 80 mph are endangering lives, using more fuel, and basically braking the law. This in turn drives up prices of gas, increases insurance payments (from more wrecks), and endangers lives.

That was tried back in the late 70's and 80's did not work then and will not work now. We have more cars on the road and getting better MPGs. It is a matter of choice. If you want to optimize at 55-60 go ahead; I for one travel long open roads and want to get there quicker and I still get 28mpg in my SUV at 70mph.

The price of gas is driven by world wide speculators making $$$$. Just watch what happens when a storm is predicted to enter the gulf. Price at the pump goes up even though it is already in the storage tanks. Storm doesn't happen and the price only goes down when the next load is delivered.

Look at the stats, fatalities on the roads are down. Not due to lower speeds but better safety engineering, DUI endorsement and EMS systems.

Adding ethanol does a few thing; artificially lowers the price at the pump, increases profits for the oil companies and helps farmers do something with the abundance of grain they can produce per acre.

Gas still provide the best bang for the buck right now. That is why E85 is not wide spread. I will say that it is nice to know that when gas does get too high due to all the global factors, we will be able to produce our own fuel. We have also known this since the 70's.

As a side note, it would be nice to see some real truth in advertising from the auto manufactures and the Government. EPA figures on new cars are derived from tests with 100% gas not the 10% mix that is found at 98% of the gas stations in this country.

[Tom Skinner]

Young Ed,

Yes, I was refferencing people with older cars, to the ethanol free gas station listings. So they may find safe gas for their rides.

White Spyder 70 mph. seems fine but your probably in a 65 mph zone so you too are breaking the law, and endangering lives. I know, your in a hurry so who gives a damn. That my dear friends is why we as a nation are doomed.

I used to think New Yorker's had a "hurray for me and the hell with everybody else" attitude, but unfortunately it seems most young Americans everywhere in the United States now live by this credo. I expect disrespect from the younger generation as well also - so to you I wish a "Merry Christmas and Happy New Year"

Youngsters do as you damn well please but remember there was a time we pulled together as a team in America to the better good of all. Sadly that time is over.

Tom

Huntersville, NC

[White Spyder]

Speed limit on the interstate here is 70 mph.

Merry Christmas to you as well.

[Frank Elder]

Young Ed,

Yes, I was refferencing people with older cars, to the ethanol free gas station listings. So they may find safe gas for their rides.

White Spyder 70 mph. seems fine but your probably in a 65 mph zone so you too are breaking the law, and endangering lives. I know, your in a hurry so who gives a damn. That my dear friends is why we as a nation are doomed.

I used to think New Yorker's had a "hurray for me and the hell with everybody else" attitude, but unfortunately it seems most young Americans everywhere in the United States now live by this credo. I expect disrespect from the younger generation as well also - so to you I wish a "Merry Christmas and Happy New Year"

Youngsters do as you damn well please but remember there was a time we pulled together as a team in America to the better good of all. Sadly that time is over.

Tom

Huntersville, NC

That hasn't happened since WWII Tom,.......and yes it is sad.

Edit...911 skipped my mind, and that also is a sad statement.....eleven years later and to anybody who didn't physically go through the horror or live in proximity it's a piece of history swept in a corner.

Edited December 23, 2012 by FRANKIE47

[Captain Neon]

Speed limit on the interstate here is 70 mph.

Merry Christmas to you as well.

Most of the Kansas Interstate System has a speed limit of 75 mph. I think there are stretches of interstate in OK and TX that permit 80 mph. It's easy to get trapped in one's own little world.

[Local2ED]

Gents,

Google gas stations with ethanol free gas in (Your State).

Then scroll down and search. There are many, but the gas costs more.

Is it really designed for the newer flex fuel vehicles maybe? I don't know. I do know one thing, if this country was dedicated to reserving oil supplies and gas usage we would re-instate the speed limit back down to 55 mph and enforce it. It is a proven fact that vehicles obtain their best mpg rating at between 45-55 and even 60 mph, where engines stay below 2000 rpm at cruising speeds.

Knuckle heads barreling down the road at 75 or 80 mph are endangering lives, using more fuel, and basically braking the law. This in turn drives up prices of gas, increases insurance payments (from more wrecks), and endangers lives.

Like the old saying goes "we have met the enemy, and the enemy is us".

Come on America pull together as a team and lets put an end to stupid driving habits. Drive the limits and preserve fuel.

By the way Flat Heads run on anything.

I agree with you about 55mph. and fuel economy, I can attest to losing 3-4 mpg going from 55mph to 70mph.

As far as the source of the link remember Fox news isn't.

[BobT-47P15]

At least the part of I-44 between the MO state line and Tulsa, OK is

75 mph nowadays. If you drive 60 or 65 they darn near run over

you. Everyone is in some kind of hurry, so it seems. Therefore, I

simply join 'em and run 75.

[Dan Hiebert]

Texas has a new expressway between Austin and San Antonio with an 85 mph speed limit. The wide-open Interstates in west Texas have an 80 mph speed limit. I've driven those when it was 55 - mind numbing. Every vehicle I've owned has had a "sweet spot" for best economy - none of which were over 65. I either ride that sweet spot or otherwise drive the speed limit (as well as mind the traffic laws), not only because its the "right thing to do", but also out of spite for all those who think they are above them. I'm not inconvenienced by it, but it sure does irritate the drivers that only think of themselves....

[Captain Neon]

Texas has a new expressway between Austin and San Antonio with an 85 mph speed limit. The wide-open Interstates in west Texas have an 80 mph speed limit. I've driven those when it was 55 - mind numbing. Every vehicle I've owned has had a "sweet spot" for best economy - none of which were over 65. I either ride that sweet spot or otherwise drive the speed limit (as well as mind the traffic laws), not only because its the "right thing to do", but also out of spite for all those who think they are above them. I'm not inconvenienced by it, but it sure does irritate the drivers that only think of themselves....

Learned the hard way that, unless it is big city traffic with all lanes full, it always best to go the speed limit. I've even been known to slow down to 5 under on two lanes when behind big trucks. It's rare that I have enough room to get around so better to slow down and get a little space between me and the big boys. Makes a whole lot more sense to just set the cruise at 60 and not worry about it, rather than tailgating hoping for a chance to get around.

[martybose]

Texas has a new expressway between Austin and San Antonio with an 85 mph speed limit. The wide-open Interstates in west Texas have an 80 mph speed limit. I've driven those when it was 55 - mind numbing. Every vehicle I've owned has had a "sweet spot" for best economy - none of which were over 65. I either ride that sweet spot or otherwise drive the speed limit (as well as mind the traffic laws), not only because its the "right thing to do", but also out of spite for all those who think they are above them. I'm not inconvenienced by it, but it sure does irritate the drivers that only think of themselves....

That problem works both ways; I see more drivers who move into a fast lane that was moving smoothly at 75 MPH and then drive along at 64 MPH as they pass the car in the next lane going 63. And of course they don't care that they are stacking up traffic, and they won't move over a lane when they get a chance, just keep poking along until they move up enough that everyone can move over and pass them on the right. That sign they passed said "Slower traffic keep right", NOT "Slower traffic keep right unless you're driving the speed limit".

Personally if I'm running 75 and someone comes up behind me I move over if I have a clear lane to move into.

Marty

[james49ply]

I just don’t drive the interstates anymore, just too crazy, I run the back roads and enjoy the small towns and the scenery and cruise 55-60. I found that you don’t tire as fast and get better fuel economy. GPS works well as I opt out of the freeways and the routes that it gives me are quite good.

[Captain Neon]

That problem works both ways; I see more drivers who move into a fast lane that was moving smoothly at 75 MPH and then drive along at 64 MPH as they pass the car in the next lane going 63. And of course they don't care that they are stacking up traffic, and they won't move over a lane when they get a chance, just keep poking along until they move up enough that everyone can move over and pass them on the right. That sign they passed said "Slower traffic keep right", NOT "Slower traffic keep right unless you're driving the speed limit".

Personally if I'm running 75 and someone comes up behind me I move over if I have a clear lane to move into.

Marty

Yes, the trick is to travel with traffic and not against it. One of the reasons that I do not drive my P15 in Kansas City. If traffic is light and one can get around me easily, I drive the speed limit, otherwise, if the vehicle can reasonably travel with traffic that is what I do.

[Tom Skinner]

Gents,

First, I guess I opened a can of worms. I derived my figures from the Service reference book Vol. # 1 No. #11 Dated 1948 page 4 Gas Consumption on the Highway Its based on Flat Head Gas Consumption. Second, If everyone feels safer going with the flow of traffic - fine. I drive in the right lane doing the limit.

Lastly, I very rarely watch Fox News, and don't believe 90% of what they are pushing. Anyway if you go to the Imperial website go to Imperials by year, then go to Service Reference Booklets, then to 1948, then to Fuel Economy through Planed driving, then to page four. One can see how speeds over the 2000 rpm level begin to consume much more gas than is needed to get somewhere if one were to actually slow down and do the limit, like old geezer's like myself.

Happy New Year everyone on the Forum including the young whipper snappers.

Tom

Huntersville,

NC

[Frank Elder]

Rupert murdock wouldn't lie to you Tom.......

[Dan Hiebert]

You didn't open a can of worms, you made for excellent "discussion" (maybe the same thing?) I was living in El Paso, TX when they first instituted the 10% ethanol requirement during the winter months. It was touted solely to reduce polution (El Paso is in a valley that fills up with smog quickly during the winter because of the inversion layers in the atmosphere). I think some of the other big cities in Texas did the same thing around the same time. When you had the part-year ethanol, the drop in fuel economy was very noticeable. Local politicians rebelled because of the fuel economy vs. vast distances, but the EPA wouldn't hear it.