I don't know which way to hammer out the oil seal on the timing cover?

[Sniper]

I had a buddy take a 4x4 and cut it to fit between the inner Fender lips and used some ratchet straps to hold the engine up. I have some lifting eyes that screw in place of the head bolts and I can use that to lift the engine. Don't forget to retorque the head bolts when you reinstall them

 

 

 

[MarcDeSoto]

My car right now is just a chassis with no fenders or inner fenders.  I thought of putting a couple of 2x4s across the bottom of the block held up by 6 ton jack stands.  But there is the problem of the crankshaft being in the way.  

Edited April 16, 2023 by MarcDeSoto

[Dodgeb4ya]

I hope that seal isn't installed backwards.?

[MarcDeSoto]

I noticed when I looked at Dodge's timing cover oil seal, the lip was coming out of the front.  That's how I put mine in, just like the one I took out.  But when I watched Keith's video, he had the seal reversed with the lip coming out of the back.  So I hope I did it right and Keith's car is ten years older than mine, so maybe the oil seal changed.  I hope!  

 

 

[Sam Buchanan]

8 hours ago, Dodgeb4ya said:

I hope that seal isn't installed backwards.?

 

If it is it isn't any problem to get out.....   ?

[kencombs]

8 hours ago, MarcDeSoto said:

I noticed when I looked at Dodge's timing cover oil seal, the lip was coming out of the front.  That's how I put mine in, just like the one I took out.  But when I watched Keith's video, he had the seal reversed with the lip coming out of the back.  So I hope I did it right and Keith's car is ten years older than mine, so maybe the oil seal changed.  I hope!  

 

 

Never fail rule for me:   The lip of a seal should always face the fluid.  

[Plymouthy Adams]

quick check on this is the tension spring around the sealing lip....as some seals have a small protruding lip forward by design, is that this spring should be facing the inside (oil supply) of the engine.  

[kencombs]

2 minutes ago, Plymouthy Adams said:

quick check on this is the tension spring around the sealing lip....as some seals have a small protruding lip forward by design, is that this spring should be facing the inside (oil supply) of the engine.  

Yes, very true.  That second lip is to protect the real sealing lip from dirt etc.

[Dodgeb4ya]

The 53 and later oil slinger timing cover type seal...this was covered here a few years ago.

Will work on older flatheads

That metal slinger lip can hit the factory wide width chain if not carefully installed though.

Edited April 16, 2023 by Dodgeb4ya

[MarcDeSoto]

Does anyone know if I installed this seal correctly with the lip coming out of the front?  My car is a 48, not a 53.  By lip, I'm not refering to the rubber part, but the ridge as shown here on the outside of the timing cover.  

 

 

Edited April 16, 2023 by MarcDeSoto

[Plymouthy Adams]

the inner lip of the seal will have a round spring on it...by what I can see, yes it appears to be inserted upside down...again...what side has the spring....if pointing to the damper it is wrong...

[MarcDeSoto]

The old seal that I just got out had a spring, but this new one doesn't.  I looked at the slant of the rubber lip and it is beveled down toward the damper.  Is it supposed to be beveled down toward the engine?  

[DJ194950]

Looks to me to be installed correctly but isn't in crooked?  ?

 

Ignore the remark, it's all OK in the world!

 

DJ

[Dodgeb4ya]

Modern replacement seals are usually different than the factory seal or the one you are replacing.

Open cavity/spring side and rubber lip faces to the internal side of engine as already mentioned.

Your pictures do not show enough detail for us to tell positively direction of your installation.

[MarcDeSoto]

I took some closer shots of the seal with my cell phone.  Can't believe I still can't get an answer after 4 pages of replies.  Looks like I found area where most of us are ignorant.  The first pic is taken from the back of the tc.  The other three are taken from the front of the tc.  

[Sniper]

I can't believe you wasted 4 pages worth of time on this subject myself.

 

This picture is how a seal is installed.  You want any pressure inside the crankcase to press the seal tighter into the shaft.  If you install it backwards then the pressure will lift the seal off the shaft making it leak.  You can see the spring Plymouthy was talking about is to the inside of the cover as he said.  To be clear, in the picture the left side would be the inside of your timing cover, the right side is the outside of the cover.

 

 

 

[MarcDeSoto]

So it looks like the rubber is beveled down toward the engine and up toward the fan.  I installed my seal just as the old one was and as Dodge4u's pic showed.  No one ever mentioned that my old one was on backwards.  Can you tell if mine is installed backwards from the pics above?  

[Hickory]

I did not want to read this thread but I couldn't help it after I saw 4 Paiges. My god should I even suggest hammering the bolt holes flat so that gasket seals or not.

[MarcDeSoto]

The pics above may not be clear enough to see, but when I look at the seal it looks like it's closer to hub on the outside.

[MarcDeSoto]

1 minute ago, Hickory said:

I did not want to read this thread but I couldn't help it after I saw 4 Paiges. My god should I even suggest hammering the bolt holes flat so that gasket seals or not.

I'd be happy if you could just tell me if I need to remove my seal and put it in the other way or not.  

[Dodgeb4ya]

Your old timing cover seal whether it was new or not...(looks old btw).

Was installed correctly.

The first pictures I posted shows an original factory timing cover seal installed correctly.

Install it the OE style seal backwards...you cannot do it or the cover will not bolt up flush to the block.

My seal info was correct.

 

[MarcDeSoto]

I installed the new seal just like the old seal with the ridge part sticking out the front.  So did I install the new one correctly?  

Edited April 17, 2023 by MarcDeSoto

[MarcDeSoto]

A guy on the AACA site said that seals have an open side and a closed side.  He said the open side goes toward the engine and the closed side goes toward the fan.  If you look at my pics at the beginning of this thread, it looks like the closed side is going to the engine and the more open side is going to the fan.  That's just how I installed my seal.  Is it wrong?  Here are two pics this guy used from a tractor seal showing the closed and open sides of a seal.  

Edited April 17, 2023 by MarcDeSoto

[MarcDeSoto]

Looking at Keith's video, his seal look likes mine, and he put his in with the circle ridge thing point inside the tc.  So I guess that means mine is on backwards even though I put it on just like the old one.  

[Hickory]

Does your seal have an open side and a flat side or is both sides closed in. I see it's a national brand seal ant they normally stamp oli side or air side on them.