SimonTiki Posted May 26, 2015 Report Share Posted May 26, 2015 (edited) My rear brake drum, on my 1950 Wayfarer, decided to fall apart today. If you know of any good places to source one, please let me know. BTW what are the springs from that wrap around the outside of the front drums? Edited May 26, 2015 by SimonTiki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plymouthy Adams Posted May 26, 2015 Report Share Posted May 26, 2015 anti chatter springs... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonTiki Posted May 26, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 26, 2015 Ah ha. Cheers PA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plymouthy Adams Posted May 26, 2015 Report Share Posted May 26, 2015 being the wayfarer, it should have the 10 inch brakes that are shared with the Plymouth...the full size Dodges of the era should be equipped with 11's..be sure to measure and such when you advertise or locate a possible replacement Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desoto1939 Posted May 26, 2015 Report Share Posted May 26, 2015 did this happen while driving the car or where you trying to remove the drum. This is a major failure for the drum, just completly cracked. What made you pull the wheel. Any signs of trouble before the drum brke. Just curious to know what happened. I think everyone would like to know/ Rich HArtung Desoto1939@aol.com 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Reddie Posted May 26, 2015 Report Share Posted May 26, 2015 WOW!! That does not look good. Good luck to you. John R Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonTiki Posted May 26, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 26, 2015 (edited) Unfortunately this occurred when driving and then braking at a junction. A bit hair raising. I had heard a mystery noise that I couldn’t locate when driving the car, and I assumed it was the hand brake rubbing. I’ve only had the car since March and I hadn’t tracked the noise down. I pulled up to the junction yesterday and Bang!, the drum shattered. Terrible grinding and rubbing when I pulled away again. I thought that it would have to be the brakes because of how bad they felt afterwards. I think it may have been cracked for a while and it finally gave up. Thoughts are that the drum may have been over skimmed in the past and this may have weakened it. Just trying to locate a replacement now. Edited May 28, 2015 by SimonTiki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobertKB Posted May 26, 2015 Report Share Posted May 26, 2015 Wow!! I have never seen anything like that. Glad you were safe even though your car needs some work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Reddie Posted May 26, 2015 Report Share Posted May 26, 2015 You can try these guys. They list a few '50 and '51 Dodge Wayfarer parts cars. I have heard that they are on the expensive side but I think they should have a decent drum for your Dodge. Best of luck. John R http://mooresautosalvage.com/parts.asp?division=2&make=Dodge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kowalski440 Posted May 26, 2015 Report Share Posted May 26, 2015 I'm new here, but speaking from past exp I'd get all 4 drums/brakes replaced/serviced as a set if it was me and I didn't know the service history of the vehicle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plymouthy Adams Posted May 26, 2015 Report Share Posted May 26, 2015 I'm new here, but speaking from past exp I'd get all 4 drums/brakes replaced/serviced as a set if it was me and I didn't know the service history of the vehicle. wish to expound on the many places one can get a set of four drums matched for this vintage car?.....I am sure many folks here would be happy to know of the source.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belvedere666 Posted May 26, 2015 Report Share Posted May 26, 2015 Shouldn't that hub with the lug bolts be INSIDE the drum? My 50 Plymouth has a different drum on it. It's a 10" but it has the holes for the lug bolts and the hub is riveted into the inside of the drum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desoto1939 Posted May 26, 2015 Report Share Posted May 26, 2015 I'm new here, but speaking from past exp I'd get all 4 drums/brakes replaced/serviced as a set if it was me and I didn't know the service history of the vehicle. Dear My K440. Yes we all would agree with your statement about replacing all 4 drums. But you also have to understand that the car this gentleman has is 65 years old. These drums are not jsut sitting in a localNAPA store to be purchased right off the shelf. By the end of your name it sounds as if you have a more modern car and yes these drums for your car might be readily available. And if the drums for most of ir f they were available we would get new ones if we could but sometimes they are not that easy to find. We are not picking on you just trying to explain the problem that this car owner is facing. Rich HArtung Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Coatney Posted May 26, 2015 Report Share Posted May 26, 2015 Were it me I would and have converted to front disc brakes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave72dt Posted May 26, 2015 Report Share Posted May 26, 2015 I would think the entire brake system should be inspected, at a minimum, and advocate complete line and hose replacement as well as wheel and master cylinders refurbished/rebuilt, before you drive it the first time. The drums can be trued up as long as they remain within factory tolerance. Replaced or serviced as needed, as K440 said ( didn't see the word "new"). Something not right on one wheel and the history is unknown, look at the rest of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andydodge Posted May 26, 2015 Report Share Posted May 26, 2015 Interesting point tho' about the hub being outside of the drum.........also I note the areas on the edge of the backing plate that have been bent indicating a previous attempt/s to remove the drum which may have weakened it.......the suggestion to check all drums is a wise suggestion, also Dons disc brake suggestion.........me?......I've had 4 wheel discs since 1975......also Simon, this is the sort of brake drum puller to use to remove the drum but if yours are inside the hub then somethings not quite correct...........main thing is you are o/k......this may have been an underwear staining moment at a higher speed......lol.........andyd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulu Posted May 26, 2015 Report Share Posted May 26, 2015 (edited) Interesting point tho' about the hub being outside of the drum....... This is freaking me out too. It's like somebody put a narrow drum & shoes on an axle that should have had wider brakes. I've never worked on a Wayfarer, but WTH? Edited May 26, 2015 by Ulu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave72dt Posted May 26, 2015 Report Share Posted May 26, 2015 You can also see a big hammer dent on the hub itself and the castle nut has no cotter pin through it. Someone's obviously been inside this axle, maybe tried to solve some stripped hub threads with the pressed in studs or later year hub. The hub color makes me think it's had some heat applied as well. I would be really nervous about the condition of the rest of the brake system at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulu Posted May 26, 2015 Report Share Posted May 26, 2015 I missed the dent. Possible sign of abuse, or carelessness? Maybe it just got dropped off the top shelf. Obviously some butcher has been trying to take the drum off by prying against the backing plate. He may well have chipped & warped the drum in the process, resulting in the rubbing noise and eventual splitting of the drum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plymouthy Adams Posted May 26, 2015 Report Share Posted May 26, 2015 this damage could be results of weakening the cast iron in an attempt to remove it....as anyone who has ever worked cast iron pipe..all you have to do is walk around it with a hammer and it will eventually break on the line you were peening...close enspection would show rust scale of a earlier hairline fracture fromt his process.....of course the possible lead up to the failure is not helping this poor guy find a replacement drum...if you have not already done so...DO list a wanted ad in classifieds section of this forum http://p15-d24.com/index.php?app=classifieds click ad an advert on the right upper section of the page...Bob's your uncle... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Balazs Posted May 27, 2015 Report Share Posted May 27, 2015 That is really ....... really scary. You are very lucky that you did not get hurt or even worse hurt someone else. When I see something like this I have to ask if you did any sort of road worthiness check on this car? I am sure you realize at this point just how dangerous this sort of condition actually is. Maybe your experience will prompt others to take a closer look at this sort of stuff. Jeff 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam H P15 D30 Posted May 27, 2015 Report Share Posted May 27, 2015 This is freaking me out too. It's like somebody put a narrow drum & shoes on an axle that should have had wider brakes. I've never worked on a Wayfarer, but WTH? Interesting point tho' about the hub being outside of the drum.........also I note the areas on the edge of the backing plate that have been bent indicating a previous attempt/s to remove the drum which may have weakened it.......the suggestion to check all drums is a wise suggestion, also Dons disc brake suggestion.........me?......I've had 4 wheel discs since 1975......also Simon, this is the sort of brake drum puller to use to remove the drum but if yours are inside the hub then somethings not quite correct...........main thing is you are o/k......this may have been an underwear staining moment at a higher speed......lol.........andyd Nope, that's the way the Dodge drums look. I have an entire set off a 49 wayfarer, problem is the rear drums come with a rear axle. Too bad you're across the pond Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonTiki Posted May 27, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 27, 2015 Thanks for the advice. I bought the car a couple of months ago from the garage that imported it. They told me that they checked out the brakes, and replaced the front flexi hoses and shoes. And sure enough they had fixed the front, so I believed them but obviously they neglected the rear. Good life lesson! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andydodge Posted May 27, 2015 Report Share Posted May 27, 2015 Adam.........well I have learnt something today, didn't know that Dodges had the drums that way, thanks Adam........andyd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mlindblom Posted May 27, 2015 Report Share Posted May 27, 2015 Found this link today. Looks spendy if they have them but could be a good link. http://www.vapinc.com/mopar/Brake%20Drums/main.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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