pflaming Posted January 22, 2014 Report Posted January 22, 2014 What, if any, difference is there between a three speed truck and a three speed truck B Series transmission? I know the bell housings are different and the car has a tube extension but the box it self are they different? Quote
41/53dodges Posted January 22, 2014 Report Posted January 22, 2014 I dont think a single thing is similar... at least thay dont look alike! Anybody else? Quote
Scruffy49 Posted January 22, 2014 Report Posted January 22, 2014 48 through mid 49 truck 3 speeds are top loaders... other than that, I can't tell a car 3 on the tree from a truck 3 on the tree. The 56 or 57 car 3 speed I gave away last year looked just like the 3 speed sideloader truck transmission I scrapped out after pulling a couple small parts... Other than having an extended tailshaft housing, they seemed to be the same basic core. Quote
Young Ed Posted January 22, 2014 Report Posted January 22, 2014 They may seem the same but they are certainly not. The trucks have a bigger bolt pattern and a bigger input shaft retainer hole in the bellhousing. For a T5 swap in a car you need to enlarge the bellhousing hole. For a truck you need a spacer on the T5 to bring it up to size. Even 3spd to 3spd they are geared differently. The biggest difference I notice is in 2nd gear. In the truck its fun to hold second for a bit and really pick up speed. In my car I either go 1-3 and skip to or go 1 2 3 fairly quickly. 1 Quote
1952B3b23 Posted January 24, 2014 Report Posted January 24, 2014 Interesting thread... When I bought my 52 B3b it had a plymouth 218 in it not the truck motor anymore. It also had three on the tree. Do you guys think it was the motor and Trans out of the car? Or motor from the car and tranny from the truck. I just figured they swapped motors and kept the original tranny. I have the serial number for the engine somewhere if any one wants to look up more info on it. -Chris Quote
Jeff Balazs Posted January 24, 2014 Report Posted January 24, 2014 Aren't the truck bell housings unique to the trucks.....and truck transmissions? Jeff Quote
Merle Coggins Posted January 24, 2014 Report Posted January 24, 2014 Yes Jeff. The bell housings are quite different between the cars and trucks. Chris, your truck would likely have it's original trans since the bell housings couldn't have been swapped without great re-engineering. Column shift 3 speed was standard in the light trucks since the B2's. Merle Quote
1952B3b23 Posted January 25, 2014 Report Posted January 25, 2014 Thanks for that info Merle. Another interesting thing about my truck was that when they swapped in the plymouth motor they left the oil pan as a rear sump setup. So the drag link would hit the pan. In order to make more clearance the previous owner(s) whacked the pan in with a hammer. That didn't completely resolve the issue since it still hit under tight turns. I know that doesn't really have anything to do with transmissions but I figured if share it anyway lol. -Chris Quote
HanksB3B Posted January 25, 2014 Report Posted January 25, 2014 Thanks for that info Merle. Another interesting thing about my truck was that when they swapped in the plymouth motor they left the oil pan as a rear sump setup. So the drag link would hit the pan. In order to make more clearance the previous owner(s) whacked the pan in with a hammer. That didn't completely resolve the issue since it still hit under tight turns. I know that doesn't really have anything to do with transmissions but I figured if share it anyway lol. -Chris That's a Classic...has happened to the best of em... Not me of course... Hank P.S. (tomorrow's a big day for my truck)...guess.. Quote
Young Ed Posted January 25, 2014 Report Posted January 25, 2014 Thanks for that info Merle. Another interesting thing about my truck was that when they swapped in the plymouth motor they left the oil pan as a rear sump setup. So the drag link would hit the pan. In order to make more clearance the previous owner(s) whacked the pan in with a hammer. That didn't completely resolve the issue since it still hit under tight turns. I know that doesn't really have anything to do with transmissions but I figured if share it anyway lol. -Chris You aren't the only one that had that in their truck. Quote
Jeff Balazs Posted January 25, 2014 Report Posted January 25, 2014 Yes Jeff. The bell housings are quite different between the cars and trucks. Chris, your truck would likely have it's original trans since the bell housings couldn't have been swapped without great re-engineering. Column shift 3 speed was standard in the light trucks since the B2's. Merle Merle; That is what I thought........kinda precludes much in the way of transmission swaps without a fair amount of re-engineering. Then of course there is the fluid drive bell housing you and I have........and that makes a bolt on swap even more unlikely. I spent a bit of time looking at how one might effect a transmission swap on one of these and still retain the fluid drive.......but drew a blank. Jeff Quote
Don Coatney Posted January 25, 2014 Report Posted January 25, 2014 When I installed a Desoto engine in my P-15 I also had a clearance issue. I did not hammer it in but instead modified the oil pan to make it work. 1 Quote
ggdad1951 Posted January 26, 2014 Report Posted January 26, 2014 You aren't the only one that had that in their truck. I resemble that remark Quote
1952B3b23 Posted January 26, 2014 Report Posted January 26, 2014 You aren't the only one that had that in their truck. I didnt think i was. Quote
HanksB3B Posted January 26, 2014 Report Posted January 26, 2014 (edited) I resemble that remark Sometimes bad things happen to good trucks by bad P.O.'s I didnt think i was. O.K. No ones figured out my trucks big day... " Who knows what lurks inside this box"....(there's a hint in the background) " The shadow do ! " don't post here...but look here...(thread forthcoming soon)... Just a shadow of my former selfie, Hank Edited January 26, 2014 by HanksB3B Quote
Young Ed Posted January 27, 2014 Report Posted January 27, 2014 Sometimes bad things happen to good trucks by bad P.O.'s Hank Haha Hank Marks related to all those previous owners..... Quote
Jeff Balazs Posted January 27, 2014 Report Posted January 27, 2014 Sometimes bad things happen to good trucks by bad P.O.'s O.K. No ones figured out my trucks big day... " Who knows what lurks inside this box"....(there's a hint in the background) " The shadow do ! " don't post here...but look here...(thread forthcoming soon)... Just a shadow of my former selfie, Hank Judging from the box....it is either a super rare collapsible sump pan ...................or more likely a drip pan to put under your leaking tranny. Jeff 1 Quote
HanksB3B Posted January 27, 2014 Report Posted January 27, 2014 (edited) No chicken dinner for you, You'll have to wait for the BBQ! Hank Paul it's your thread...I said no posting but.... See if you can guess what it is. Hank Edited January 27, 2014 by HanksB3B Quote
Desotodav Posted January 27, 2014 Report Posted January 27, 2014 Judging by the size of that box, I know what you're up to now Hank. You have to admit that the question was most difficult though, given all that you have been through with your truck recently! Quote
Jeff Balazs Posted January 27, 2014 Report Posted January 27, 2014 Oh my God... ....it's gotta be one of those new fangled "cornhole" boards from back east. What is up with that? 'Shoes is just so much more satisfying to the senses........and there is nothing like the sound of a clean ringer. Jeff Quote
HanksB3B Posted January 27, 2014 Report Posted January 27, 2014 Oh my God... ....it's gotta be one of those new fangled "cornhole" boards from back east. What is up with that? 'Shoes is just so much more satisfying to the senses........and there is nothing like the sound of a clean ringer. Jeff I'm with Tim on his initial comments about "Corn Hole" and I'm with you on playing real horseshoes. If anyone has a set Tim is it o.k. to play that as well ? Still no one guessing "the" clue makes it so obvious. O.K. here's another, but you need to answere the question before guessing. Q: What is the best way to treat cast iron exposed to water ? Hank Quote
Dave72dt Posted January 27, 2014 Report Posted January 27, 2014 Media blasting followed by cast finish paint. I'll guess a P7 od if they made such a thing Quote
HanksB3B Posted January 27, 2014 Report Posted January 27, 2014 (edited) Whats a P7 od ? Another Clue: The part needs to be hosed down. My new thread's ready to go as soon as someone guesses..but now I'm going out to work on it so you'll have to wait. Too bad, Hank Edited January 27, 2014 by HanksB3B Quote
Dave72dt Posted January 27, 2014 Report Posted January 27, 2014 Since you're going to "hose" the box contents, methods for treating the cast iron can depend on the current condition of the contents. There aren't that many cast iron parts on the truck, pretty much limited to the transmission, brakes and the engine. I had assumed the part has previously been exposed to water and needed rust removal. Oil and grease removal and prep for paint can be different than rust removal. Quote
Jeff Balazs Posted January 27, 2014 Report Posted January 27, 2014 Whats a P7 od ? Another Clue: The part needs to be hosed down. My new thread's ready to go as soon as someone guesses..but now I'm going out to work on it so you'll have to wait. Too bad, Hank Hank; Wow..........this is just getting to sound kinda chick-like. Jeff Quote
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