Thanks Los, these straps are not heavy duty for sure but will do the job they are specific for. Plans at most for these is to tie down a small motorcycle/minibike at best. Odds are even that will not happen at least for the immediate future. I have not even started the minibike build that will be matching color to the van's two-tone paint. With the van pretty much squared away I will now have to do a bit of arranging a couple of barn bays and clean the shop. The speedometer corrector came in today and now with all the mixed and matched gear train changes along with the really odd revs per mile Brit speedometer, it is dead on with the built in GPS. I did this afternoon sew a matching brown document envelope cover for the US postal envelope behind the tie downs, running a YOM tag the current tag has to be inside the vehicle somewhere and this envelope works best for me. Am going to say this segment is now what I want it to look like. So last weekend before Christmas, going to make the best of it. Going to get out to the shop and do something even if it's wrong...!!!