100 Point(?) Plymouth Wagon for Sale

[Bob Riding]

This woodie is going up for auction on Wednesday in Monterey as part of the Pebble Beach Concours de Elegance. Although it looks to be a #1 car, I'm not so sure it's a 100 pointer. I know the upolstery pattern is not even close and the rubber floormat looks wrong. How far do you need to go to be able to advertise it as a 100 Pointer?

I am planning to visit and take some detailed photos (to help me with my restoration), so if anyone else is interested, let me know and I will email them to you.

Bob

"1941 Plymouth Special Deluxe Woody Wagon Chassis Number: 3290410 The Best of the Best! This unbelievable woody wagon has just received a pain staking 3 year 4,000 hour nut and bolt restoration by Lon Kruger of Sun Valley Classics in Scottsdale, AZ. This wagon was used to transport guests and their luggage from the train station to the lodge in Jasper National Park in Alberta, Canada for many years and has only had two owners since. All of the wood with the exception of the mahogany inserts is original and we have pre-restoration photos to document. Everything down to the stunning original Cabino Beige finish has been meticulously restored to exact original specs. If you've been looking for a super rare, pre war woodie wagon with a 100 point restoration, look no further.

[Niel Hoback]

From this distance it looks like both right side door handle return springs are missing or broken. Can this be?

I'm not that familiar with 41's, but isn't the horn ring supposed to be a full circle ?

Yes, I do enjoy my nit-picking, but when somebody says 100 pt, they're kinda asking for it.

[BobT-47P15]

Aren't the seats in those wagons smooth, with no fancywork or lines

to them. The air cleaner and other black items under the hood definitely

are more shiny than new.

[greg g]

speaking of nits there are those red rim painted on the hubcaps? I believe the color is Casino Beige, and isn't there supposed to be pinstriping on the wheels? And the dash should be body color should it not?

[Plymouthy Adams]

I was curious about the copper tube...

[greg g]

substitute for the rubber vacuum tube for the wipers.

[PatS....]

The article says it served the the lodge in Jasper National Park, Alberta, Canada.

That would likely make it a special order Canadian car, where they may have ordered those things different. The lodge was a high class joint so maybe they ordered a high class car rather than bone stock?

I know the rubber mats were different on my Canadian 49 Chrysler and the US version.

[Don Jordan]

Just curious - I'm showing my ignorance but did Fram make stock oil filters? I had one on an old hot rod I got from J.C. Whitney but I don't think I've ever seen one stock.

[BobT-47P15]

I think the oil filters were a dealer installed item after the car was purchased.

There were probably several different brands and color schemes of those

filters installed.

Probably was pinstriping on the wheels. I think most all Plymouth hub caps had red in the center during

those years. I found some n-o-s 1940 or 41 caps just the other day.....red centers.

[Jim Yergin]

That is a beautiful car. I agree that the upholstery does not look right. The original seats in my car are flat without the pleats. As far as I know, only the convertibles in '41 had body colored dashes, the wagon's were supposed to be wood grained. The horn ring is the same half circle as in mine. The shifter knob also indicates that the car has the "power shift" vaccuum assist option. This one even has the optional passenger side tail light. I have never seen those rear bumper guards on a wagon. They have to be where they are or else the tail gate would hit them when opened. Should be interesting to see what it goes for.

Jim Yergin (owner of a (to-date) stationary 1941 Plymouth P12 wagon)

[B-Watson]

The article says it served the the lodge in Jasper National Park, Alberta, Canada.

That would likely make it a special order Canadian car, where they may have ordered those things different. The lodge was a high class joint so maybe they ordered a high class car rather than bone stock?

I know the rubber mats were different on my Canadian 49 Chrysler and the US version.

Cars imported from Detroit were equipped the same way any American dealer would have offered it - American colours, American upholstery, American floor mats, American exterior trim, etc.

The series is a "Special DeLuxe", which is correct for an American-built Plymouth and thus for a car imported into Canada. The top of the line Canadian-built Plymouth was the "Custom".

As to whether or not it toured the streets of Jasper from the Canadian National Railway station to the Lodge, the car`s build record should show it was shipped from Detroit to the nearest Plymouth-Chrysler-Fargo Truck dealer.

Bill

Vancouver, BC

[Andydodge]

Nice wagon.........that colour appears to be the same as my 1940 Dodge Sedan was when bought in 1971, I have never seen that colour on any other 1940/41 Mopar since and as I painted my 1940 Dodge a late 60's Oz valaint Mahogany Metallic, thats the 1st time I've seen that colour since the repaint......how common is that colour?.....andyd

[Jim Yergin]

I don't know how common that color was but one of my '41 parts car wagons was that color. Hard to believe it but that color was under all that rust. Looks a little different from the one Bob posted.

Jim Yergin

[Don Coatney]

Is the battery ground cable connected correctly? I would think adding a hunk of soft metal under a head bolt would alter the torque for that bolt.

[Young Ed]

Some of the later cars have a special head bolt for that purpose. Sort of a bolt within a bolt. I don't believe that it is correct for a 41. Here is a 51 with the special bolt.

[Don Coatney]

I use a bolt like that on my throttle linkage.

[Bob Riding]

JIm; Let me know if you want any specific photos. Although with 3 cars to work from, you probably have seen it all!

Bob

[Jim Yergin]

Thanks Bob. I would be interested in seeing any pictures you can share.

Don, you are correct, my '41 has a bolt for the lower generator bracket that has a place for the ground strap. The cable I am using is not long enough to reach that spot so mine is also attached to the head bolt.

Jim Yergin

[BobT-47P15]

I would guess one of the "experts" put the knob on backwards.

And.....my battery is grounded under the second bolt from front.

[Ed Griffin]

There was one of these , same yr, on ebay recently. Started at 50k ended with no bid's. Was suprised to even see one of these on the bay instead of at a high dollar auction.

[Bob Riding]

Here are 4 more "official" pictures. Beautiful woodwork.

[JIPJOBXX]

Bob what do you think they will get at auction for this beautiful old Plymouth? And did they look that nice when they were first sold? I was wondering about those beauty rings on the rims were they stock or after market? Well anyway nice machine

[Bob Riding]

Last year at the one of the Arizona auctions, a similar wagon went for $105,000. I believe the trim rings were all after-market items...Here is a 1941 ad for the wagon. It looks pretty close to the modern incarnation.

[eric wissing]

This car has probably held up better than the people in the ad. Eric

[John Mulders]

no whitewalls on the advertisement, must substract points !

Great car.