Barsteel Posted March 19, 2014 Report Posted March 19, 2014 Hello! As I get closer and closer to getting my '52 Plymouth Cranbrook on the road, I'm trying to get together some of the smaller pieces to make it as complete as possible, and one of those pieces is the jack, jack stand, and tire iron. I have the email of a guy who has a lot of vintage car parts, and he says that he has a ton of jacks, but doesn't know which one would be correct for my car. Can anyone out there help me with a pic(s), maybe a part number, some dimensions, etc? Thanks... Chris Quote
RobertKB Posted March 20, 2014 Report Posted March 20, 2014 (edited) This is the original jack in my 1951 Canadian Dodge D39 which is based on the Plymouth body and I would be virtually certain the jack would be the same as your '52 Plymouth. Third picture shows the small clip inside the base that holds the upright part onto the base so it can be moved without falling off. Most of these are likely broken. I couldn't find the tire iron at present but it is just a regular looking tire iron that will fit the 3/4" lug bolts. I also included a picture of the mounting hardware for the spare tire. Hope this helps. Edited March 20, 2014 by RobertKB Quote
Don Coatney Posted March 20, 2014 Report Posted March 20, 2014 I found this jack in this P-15 several years ago. I don't know if it is correct but I do know it went in the dumpster this morning. Quote
JerseyHarold Posted March 20, 2014 Report Posted March 20, 2014 None of my present P23's have an original jack. Even if they did I would not use it. My father's original '52 slid off the jack years ago because of its poor design. I've only used used frame jacks on my cars (either scissor or hydraulic). Quote
knuckleharley Posted March 20, 2014 Report Posted March 20, 2014 This is the original jack in my 1951 Canadian Dodge D39 which is based on the Plymouth body and I would be virtually certain the jack would be the same as your '52 Plymouth. Third picture shows the small clip inside the base that holds the upright part onto the base so it can be moved without falling off. Most of these are likely broken. I couldn't find the tire iron at present but it is just a regular looking tire iron that will fit the 3/4" lug bolts. I also included a picture of the mounting hardware for the spare tire. Hope this helps. WOW! That looks just like the 38 Chrysler bumper jack that I have. Quote
knuckleharley Posted March 20, 2014 Report Posted March 20, 2014 I found this jack in this P-15 several years ago. I don't know if it is correct but I do know it went in the dumpster this morning. Why would you throw it in the dumpster? 1 Quote
knuckleharley Posted March 20, 2014 Report Posted March 20, 2014 None of my present P23's have an original jack. Even if they did I would not use it. My father's original '52 slid off the jack years ago because of its poor design. I've only used used frame jacks on my cars (either scissor or hydraulic). True,but people who restore cars like to have the original jacks in the trunks. One thing I will never understand is what happened to all the bumper jacks and carburetors off the cars you see in junk yards. Almost all of them are missing the carbs and the jacks. I used a couple of old bumper jacks to jack the 4X8 sheets of T-111 siding into place when I remodeled my house several years ago. Kinda hard to hold them up there in place by yourself and then drive nails in them,and the jacks came in really handy. Quote
Don Coatney Posted March 20, 2014 Report Posted March 20, 2014 Why would you throw it in the dumpster? Pick one, your choice... It does not work If it did work it is un-safe I would spend more in gas than it is worth if I hauled it to the scrap dealer I am moving and do not want to pay the moving company sixty cents a pound to move it My wife thinks it is ugly I think it is ugly I don't think it is original to my P-15 I would rather use one of my guns for my home security system Quote
Plymouthy Adams Posted March 21, 2014 Report Posted March 21, 2014 And...beside all that one would have to clean it up and paint it proper even for static display.....I have an original but it is painted and wrapped and stored till I put it on display in the trunk..never ever will use on of these...I carry either a nice scissors or hydraulic trolley jack for any time I need to raise the chassis.. Quote
RobertKB Posted March 21, 2014 Report Posted March 21, 2014 Just so you know, and some of you will, you cannot just put a scissor jack under the frame at the back of a '53 or'54 Pllymouth and raise it up and remove the tire. Because of the way the wheel well is made, you have to jack up on the rear bumper which allows the rear axle to sag on the springs and then you can remove the tire and rim. Not as easy as it seems. I will use a bumper jack on my '53 to remove the rear tires and rims but have another jack under the frame to prevent total collapse if the car jack fails. I will never, NEVER, work under a car using only the car jack. Quote
Plymouthy Adams Posted March 21, 2014 Report Posted March 21, 2014 I have never failed to remove a rear tire by jacking the chassis at the forward spring mount on the frame.... Quote
JDaniel64 Posted March 21, 2014 Report Posted March 21, 2014 Here is my jack from my '52 Meadowbrook, might be close to the '52 Cranbrook. Quote
Don Coatney Posted March 21, 2014 Report Posted March 21, 2014 Just so you know, and some of you will, you cannot just put a scissor jack under the frame at the back of a '53 or'54 Pllymouth and raise it up and remove the tire. Because of the way the wheel well is made, you have to jack up on the rear bumper which allows the rear axle to sag on the springs and then you can remove the tire and rim. Not as easy as it seems. I will use a bumper jack on my '53 to remove the rear tires and rims but have another jack under the frame to prevent total collapse if the car jack fails. I will never, NEVER, work under a car using only the car jack. KB, If you raise the car by the frame the tire will sag. If you raise the car by the differential housing the tire will not sag. Quote
Tones52 Posted March 21, 2014 Report Posted March 21, 2014 Hey Chris, I'll check what's in the trunk of my Cranbrook later today but in the meantime here's the snaps from the owner's manual. Tony http:// http:// Quote
RobertKB Posted March 21, 2014 Report Posted March 21, 2014 KB, If you raise the car by the frame the tire will sag. If you raise the car by the differential housing the tire will not sag. Between you and Tim, I got it. Using the bumper is the same as using the frame as the bumper is attached to the frame. Putting a jack under the frame infront of the rear spring is on the frame. Tire sags. I get it, I get it. It only took me the better part of 40 years to figure it out. Just one of those dumb things that never got figured out properly although I am reasonably car savvy. Same thing for my '63 Ford Fairlane. Thanks guys. 1 Quote
JerseyHarold Posted March 22, 2014 Report Posted March 22, 2014 (edited) One thing I will never understand is what happened to all the bumper jacks and carburetors off the cars you see in junk yards. Almost all of them are missing the carbs and the jacks. The yard owners may pull the jacks so their customers can't use them for lifting a car wiithout jack stands. The carbs probably got sold to rebuilders as cores. I used a couple of old bumper jacks to jack the 4X8 sheets of T-111 siding into place when I remodeled my house several years ago. Kinda hard to hold them up there in place by yourself and then drive nails in them,and the jacks came in really handy. I've used bumper jacks to pull fence posts out of the ground. Edited March 22, 2014 by JerseyHarold Quote
DonaldSmith Posted March 22, 2014 Report Posted March 22, 2014 Tractor Supply Co. sells farm utility jacks, like the old car jacks, but heavier duty, for pulling fence posts, etc. Not to be used on a car. Quote
Tones52 Posted March 23, 2014 Report Posted March 23, 2014 Okay Chris, here's the one in my '52 Brook and it's like JDaniel64's. I am missing the jack handle though. I'm still sorting through my Plymouth and so my driving is mostly everyday around town so if I had a breakdown then it's AAA. But like what others have shared when I can get to the point of taking a drive to Santa Barbara or further then I'd carry the small hydraulic jack in the trunk for just in case. Good luck in finding one for your '52. http:// http:// http:// http://http://i863.photobucket.com/albums/ab195/Tones52/52%20Plymouth%20for%20Poppa/52Jack007_zpsa9da28c9.jpg Quote
DJ194950 Posted March 23, 2014 Report Posted March 23, 2014 My 2 cents, since you have a good picture, now do an ebay search for a while and look for bumper jacks. If they ID them they almost want Way too much even when they are just guessing. Bought my 50 Ply. jack that way, complete w/no jack handle $35 w/ delivered. Looks close if not 100% to pics, looks good to me. Look for ones that look like what you want at reasonably prices That Do work. Sometimes best to buy as close as possible according to appearance? Doug Quote
Grdpa's 50 Dodge Posted March 23, 2014 Report Posted March 23, 2014 Its been 50 plus years,,I grant my memory isnt like it used to be,,,BUT dont really recall a spring like that holding the jack in. Not saying that is how it is supposed to be,,,but REAL RURAL WORLD (say that fast five times) didnt ever happen. I do recall the bolt and big wing nut gizmo that was supposed to hold in place but was rarely if ever used. Biggest reason was it was out and in 'use' every few weeks,,,days,,, If you drove a car in the OLD era you know full well of which I speak. Those old style tires had a habit of blowing out and picking up every nail and tack within reach and it went flat FAST,,,unlike todays radials. Best thing since sliced bread. I had a 50 Ply that was the family chariot I first drove to high school. Front end was so far out of align it squealed going straight down the road. Asked dad a million tims if we could fix that. Answer" Are you crazy,,,that cost money!!!" "YOUR job as a driver is to find a bald face tire ( that resembles an inner tube ) once or twice a week",,,tire blows thru face from rubbing sideways down road,,,you change to spare (which you carried 2 of ) and as soon as you got home,,,took jack and jacked tire off bead under bumper,,took poor tire iron which was jack handle to pry tire off,,fix tube with hot patch,,put tire and tube back on without pinching tube(hard to do with poor handle tool) and pumping up with a hand tire pump cause we cant afford no compressor(somebody gave us one later,,,it was no good,,(but good enough for us I guess),,,took about 10 to 15 minutes to pump up a tire... 5 to 8 days later repeat process. Got so tired of it went and found my own plymouth in a grove, drug it home,scooped out half foot of leaves,and got it running,,,was a little blue smoking but better car,,had 4 doors and better for hunting!! Cost $25 total ) Later found out why it was parked,,,frame was cracked and flexed on rough county roads of gravel. ie washboards... Anyway I want a correct 50 Dodge Coronet bumper jack for my project but ding- dongs on ebay says everything fits my car,,,yeah right. Was thinking the original had a deep hook to catch back side of bumper. Actually a good bumper jack that wasnt over pulled stripped or abused works better than anything else to change rear tires because of the wheel well and axle sag issue as mentioned,,,as long as you dont experience roll offs, bad blocking,,,you need a whole trunk full of stuff for simple job!! 2 Quote
RobertKB Posted March 23, 2014 Report Posted March 23, 2014 Its been 50 plus years,,I grant my memory isnt like it used to be,,,BUT dont really recall a spring like that holding the jack in. Not saying that is how it is supposed to be,,,but REAL RURAL WORLD (say that fast five times) didnt ever happen. I do recall the bolt and big wing nut gizmo that was supposed to hold in place but was rarely if ever used. All true what you say about the tires. However, my '53 has a spring like that to hold the jack in place and it works well. I don't have one with the '51 but will look to see if I misplaced it when I cleaned the trunk out when I started working on the car. Quote
Young Ed Posted March 23, 2014 Report Posted March 23, 2014 I agree Dads 50 and 51 both have the spring too. Quote
Plymouthy Adams Posted March 23, 2014 Report Posted March 23, 2014 over the years it could be anywhere..maybe into the spare tire wheel well and in someone's tire long ago as it hit the pavement after falling through the drain hole Quote
Don Coatney Posted March 23, 2014 Report Posted March 23, 2014 What kind of tool is required to remove that spring? Sorry just could not let that slip by Quote
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