T 5 trans removal

[Jeff Balazs]

Allen is more of a descriptor for the TOOL not the bolt....technically they are HEX drives, an ALLEN wrench is just like a BOX end wrench...whew are my BOX screws?

Well you couldn't be farther off actually. W.G. Allen is the inventor of this type of fastener. You whipper-snappers    can call them by a generic term if you like.......but I think they really ought to called by their proper name. A big part of what we are all doing here has to do with preserving history after all.

Jeff

[HanksB3B]

 

WG Allen "I resemble that remark".

Edited November 15, 2013 by HanksB3B

[Jeff Balazs]

Hank;

tsk...tsk...tsk. Those are all fittings not nuts. And I hope you have the appropriate fitting wrench's or you may just wind up with another mess on your hands.

 

Jeff

[Don Coatney]

You talkin about these?

 

[ggdad1951]

Well you couldn't be farther off actually. W.G. Allen is the inventor of this type of fastener. You whipper-snappers    can call them by a generic term if you like.......but I think they really ought to called by their proper name. A big part of what we are all doing here has to do with preserving history after all.

Jeff

Jeff you can call it an Allen drive, just like a Phillips, but it is still not the name of the fastener approved by ANSI or the metric (shudder) organizations.  Just saying is all...

[Jeff Balazs]

Mark;

I am just calling it by the name it was originally known by.

 

When I first started working at 15 it was in a full service filling station and garage. I pumped gas and when I wasn't busy doing that I was helping my mentor Huck in the garage. Huck was well into his 70's at that time and had been working on cars his entire life. In those days you had to learn the correct names for tools and fasteners quickly or suffer a foot in the ass. And believe me I don't ever recall Huck asking me to get him a 3'8" hex key........it was always a 3/8" Allen wrench. After that job I worked in another garage and then a Ford dealership. No one called them hex keys or hex wrench's ..... it was always an Allen wrench and the fasteners were referred to as Allen type.

 

Today we use all sorts of terms for things that already had a perfectly good name. For the most part it is a bunch of BS perpetrated by lawyers and spin doctors. I know a lot of folks buy into this so called new world language and politically correct stuff. But I will tell you right now that you would have gotten a whole lot of grief using the term "hex key" when I was a youngster working in a garage. You might not have gotten a kick in the butt..... more likely it would have been something more subtle....like a shot of grease down your trousers when you were otherwise occupied......and you would have certainly never heard the end of it.

So you call it whatever you want......but for me it will always be an Allen wrench.

 

Jeff

[ggdad1951]

it IS an Allen WRENCH, but not an Allen SCREW, just sayin....wanna duke it out at the BBQ?  

[Young Ed]

I've always called them fitting wrenches too but I have seen them called line wrenches too. Hank hope you've got a set! Oh and how about the screwdriver in this picture? Anyone heard of pozidrive?

[HanksB3B]

I do have one it's 7/16  and 3/8.  I probably should make a trip over to Harbor Freight and get myself a set. I have something I want to return anyway. I don't want to hijack this thread I do have a few questions forthcoming regarding fuel lines and fittings over here: 

 

http://p15-d24.com/topic/34658-carter-carb-fuel-filter-fuel-line/

 

Thanks for looking,

 

Hank 

[Jeff Balazs]

it IS an Allen WRENCH, but not an Allen SCREW, just sayin....wanna duke it out at the BBQ?  

Yes.....happily! Make sure you bring some old trousers......'cause they were called Allen screws and bolts long before they were renamed. :P

Should be an interesting BBQ.

Jeff

 

I've always called them fitting wrenches too but I have seen them called line wrenches too. Hank hope you've got a set! Oh and how about the screwdriver in this picture? Anyone heard of pozidrive?

Hi Ed;

Yes I have heard both those names used. And the cheap ones are not worth owning either......Hank.....Harbor Freight really ? Might as well use a monkey wrench!

 

Pozidrive has been around for quite a while. I think it may have come from the aerospace community. And then of course there are others which are named after the inventors .....that is until Mark and his buddies decide to rename them. I just bet that if he were to invent a revolutionary fastener like the Allen bolt was when it came out ...... he would want his name plastered all over it. Of course that is just speculation on my part. You know him better than I do.

 

Jeff

[Young Ed]

Yes.....happily! Make sure you bring some old trousers......'cause they were called Allen screws and bolts long before they were renamed. :P

Should be an interesting BBQ.

Jeff

 

Hi Ed;

Yes I have heard both those names used. And the cheap ones are not worth owning either......Hank.....Harbor Freight really ? Might as well use a monkey wrench!

 

Pozidrive has been around for quite a while. I think it may have come from the aerospace community. And then of course there are others which are named after the inventors .....that is until Mark and his buddies decide to rename them. I just bet that if he were to invent a revolutionary fastener like the Allen bolt was when it came out ...... he would want his name plastered all over it. Of course that is just speculation on my part. You know him better than I do.

 

Jeff

 

To me cheap (in construction not in price) tools are never worth owning. I typically buy the better brands second hand. Those wrenches came from ebay and the screwdriver was from the same seller so I bought it too since there was no extra shipping. Turned out to be great because all my new Pella windows use pozidriv screws.

[Don Coatney]

The wrenches I posted a picture of, I have always used the term tubing wrenches. And I must be using the correct termonology because everytime I need one I find it in the tubing wrench drawer of my tool box. Same as I find my allen wrenches in the allen wrench drawer of my toolbox. Drill bits in the drill bit drawer, sockets in the socket drawer that is split in the middle with American Standard on the right (I am right handed) and metric on the left. All my gizmos are found in the gizmo drawer. Socket head cap screws are found in my hardware drawers. Any more questions?

[Young Ed]

The wrenches I posted a picture of, I have always used the term tubing wrenches. And I must be using the correct termonology because everytime I need one I find it in the tubing wrench drawer of my tool box. Same as I find my allen wrenches in the allen wrench drawer of my toolbox. Drill bits in the drill bit drawer, sockets in the socket drawer that is split in the middle with American Standard on the right (I am right handed) and metric on the left. All my gizmos are found in the gizmo drawer. Socket head cap screws are found in my hardware drawers. Any more questions?

 

Yes when did they go from being twist drills to drill bits and the drill motor to just being the drill?

[ggdad1951]

do you mean the vertical drill press, cordless hand drill or corded hand drill?

 

always call those tubing wrenches....

Edited November 15, 2013 by ggdad1951

[Merle Coggins]

Wow, did this thread get off topic or what?

 

Calling every hex key, or hex bit socket, an Allen wrench is like calling every bulldozer a Caterpillar, or every SUV a Jeep. Allen is a trade name, like Jeep and Caterpillar, etc. The same goes for Cresent wrenches. Does Snap-On call their adjustable wrenches "Cresent Wrenches"? Allen and Cresent, and other common trade names, become normal vernacular even though they are actually not the proper name. Socket Head Cap Screw is the proper name for what is commonly called an Allen Bolt. Hex Key, or Hex L-wrench, is the proper name for what is commonly called an Allen Wrench. Either name is acceptable.

[Young Ed]

Wow, did this thread get off topic or what?

 

 

At least I feel we answered the original topic before going completely off topic!

[HanksB3B]

Might as well join in what about Woodreff keys ?  Man fixing generetor "Hey Bill. would you hand me that Woodruff key"

 

Moderator I think we need an Off-Topic Tab with sub categories. 

 

 

I'm in enough trouble today....Drive to the Junk Yard I need a fuel guage float !

 

Hank 

Edited November 15, 2013 by HanksB3B

[Merle Coggins]

Might as well join in what about Woodreff keys ?  Man fixing generetor "Hey Bill. would you hand me that Woodruff key"

 

I'm in enough trouble today,

 

Hank 

 

"You mean this Half Moon key?" 

[TodFitch]

. . .The same goes for Cresent wrenches. Does Snap-On call their adjustable wrenches "Cresent Wrenches"? . . .

Common joke on newbies just entering the work force at the first place I worked was to send them to the tool crib to get a "Crescent wrench". The took crib guy would go to great pains to bring up all the various wrenches they stocked and read off them the manufacturer's name from the tool. At the end he would find he had no Crescent wrenches and ask if you perhaps wanted an adjustable wrench.

[Desotodav]

Man, is this thread a long way off topic!!!

This place seems to have all of those hard to find tools and a heap of other useful (but hard to obtain) bits too... http://kalecoauto.com/index.php?main_page=products_all&disp_order=1&page=1

[NiftyFifty]

Hammer = Ford a Diagnostic Tool

Punch = what I do to wall after hitting myself with Ford Tool

Flathead = Standard, but I'll never call it that

[Dave72dt]

Deutz used a number of socket head fasteners.  Their translation of whatever they called them in German, to English called them "cheesehead" screws.

[Don Coatney]

You guys going Whitworth on me?

[HanksB3B]

Aren't cheeshead screws manufactured in Wisconsin Merle ?

 

Probably that,

 

Hank 

[Young Ed]

You guys going Whitworth on me?

http://autorules.blogspot.com/2011/07/cars-2-mater-and-whitworth.html

them ain't metric them ain't inches