Combine Engine?

[maurice wade]

I was talking to a gentleman the other day, he said he used to own a 47 Chrysler. The starter was bad on it, and a guy told him a certain type of combine starter would work on his car. Does anyone know if mopar engines were used in any combines? I know the old Ford A engines were used in the Gleaner's. Maurice

[Young Ed]

Yes both short and long mopar 6s were used in tractors

[Frank Elder]

Which tractors?

[RobertKB]

I have starters in both my '48 Dodge and '53 Plymouth that were taken from combines, I think Massey Harris. The starters from the combines are desirable because they have four fields instead of two which gives them more torque. I had to make a very minor modification to where it mounts to make them fit but it was very straightforward.

[greg g]

Custom tractors, Cockshutt and Massey Harris Combines, Clark air port tugs,

[Frank Elder]

Drove a lot of tugs in the Navair, on ship and on shore. majority of them were 302's for the ferd fans. Some were 360's, hurray for the home team!

Ground support equipment is pretty heavy duty, around 9,000 lbs for a Navy tug. At least 1 1/2 plate for the body and 5/16 for the hood.

Pintle hitch fore and aft, was told by my first maintenence chief that I could not back up a TA-4J into a difficult slot in the hanger. Bet him 50 and won 50, he did'nt know farm boys cut their teeth on short tongue hayracks! Double axis[two turning points] is tough if you've never done it before!

[kevinanderson]

your right about backing up hayracks. even more fun with a 2cylinder John Deere with a hand clutch!

[Frank Elder]

PAH- POP -PAH-POP- Dammit-PAH-POP- somebody got to have a better way- PAH-POP-PAH-POP- there it goes!

PG version but brings back wonderful memories.

Your handbrake worked?

[kevinanderson]

my uncle had an a and a b. hated backing those things up. lean forward with one arm and trying to look back. and the 730 diesel that would "bob" as you tried backing up with that pulsing torque. we were wide front massey guys.

[Frank Elder]

We had a&b's also.

My favorite was starting them with a muscular turn of the counter weight wheel![open the petcock newbie!]

Great grampa had the best looking tractor an old CASE with the cab that looked like an art deco design, or at least a hudson. Front end sheetmetal flowed right into the cab.

Which of course was very new in its day.

[james curl]

The older Gleaners also used Chrysler Industral engines, the later ones used the slant six from mother MoPar. Both of my brother in laws Gleaners have the slant six in them. Wish now that I had realized thirty years ago that I whoud buy a 48 Plymouth 23 years ago. we would have pulled and saved the engines when he scraped the flat head powered Gleaners.

[maurice wade]

I saw a Massey sitting by the road today, stopped to take a look, sure enough it has a flat head in it. Very interesting. Maurice

[Plymouthy Adams]

I have my bud looking for a 265 for me..he is in the heart of corn country and these old combines ought to be available to him...don't know why ..but thought having one would be nice...

[greg g]

for all you folks looking for MOPAR ag engines, check out this list, unless stated as 225 chrysler engines are flatheads, could be long block or short block. Also not the foot note numbers, it states that the pertronix electronic ignition system can be used with 6 v positive. The IAT or IAG in the autolite dist part numbers meand they would work in may mopar flat 6 applications.

Notice also that the Continental engine uses the same autolite distributor series and same pertronix part number.

As noted there are several interations of MOPAR flat head dizzies but the part number seems to be the same for all of them.

http://www.vintageperformance.com/retrorockets/Agricultural.htm

[bigred48]

I was talking to the mechanic of the previous owner of my plymouth this summer, he told me that they had searched all over for a new motor for the car and finally they found a combine, the barn it was in had burned down but the motor was still good. so they took it out and its now powering my plymouth. Its a 230 and it runs like a dream.

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[Frank Elder]

BigRed, should you be using a headbolt for your ground?

Will it hold torque, could there be water jacket issues?

[greg g]

Many MOPAR flat 6's had a head bolt with a threaded head specifically to accept the ground strap. In those applications the strap was typically one of those flat braided uninsulated one. Mine is a cable which goes to the generator bracket, but either works.

[Frank Elder]

It looks like the pos cable from the battery anode not a grounding strap. Isn't the pos cable attached under the generator?

[greg g]

Just looks a bit longer than it needs to be. He could probably reroute it but it isn't a big deal unless it starts corroding.

[Young Ed]

Later cars have the ground cable under a special head bolt. Can't tell if Andys car has the special bolt or not.

[Frank Elder]

Good Morning Ed,

Does the special bolt have an intergrated washer that grips with raised lines on the bottam?

[Young Ed]

Here's the special bolt. The headbolt is tapped down the middle to accept a smaller bolt for the ground strap. Can't say if the little bolt has an internal washer or not for sure.

[Frank Elder]

As second owner of 47 d-24 CC, am curious is my pos cable supposed to be hooked up to the head, or block, which is the factory placement?

PS. That bolt looks mighty familiar from our Allis Chalmer Gleaner, 230 in it.

[Young Ed]

Frankie my 48 ply was in quite original condition when I got it and there was a slightly different bolt for the generator that hooked the ground to it.

[Frank Elder]

I have the original looong pos cable snaking somewhere under the gen it is the only electrical original left on the car.

I have a replace ment for it, just haven't got to it yet. Thank you for your insight! Gleaner has been a sittin' since 1974, guess I should have a chat with uncle steve and tell him I'd be willing to scrap it for him...lol..free of charge.

Wonder if that is a pto tranny on that combine and what components would interchange?