JSabah Posted February 6, 2020 Report Share Posted February 6, 2020 My transmission is back in and the linkage rods are in place but still need some adjustments. Before I do that (or have it done) I think I should have on hand the parts that I’m missing/lost. In the attached picture (Which I lifter off the web) there is a pivot that has 2 ball mounts inserted on each side (don’t know the name) and each ball joint has 2 half circles (some type of split bushing - also don’t know what they are called). Those bushing halves are kept in place by ???? - that is what I’m missing. Is there a washer? Some type of spring /circlip? Sorry I don’t have my manual with me. But I don’t recall finding why I was look for in it. Once I know what I’m looking for, I’ll need to know where to look ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithb7 Posted February 6, 2020 Report Share Posted February 6, 2020 (edited) Clutch linkage torque shaft. There is a two piece split bushing in each end. They slide into a recess in the torque shaft. When everything is bolted together it all stays in place. Edited February 6, 2020 by keithb7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ194950 Posted February 6, 2020 Report Share Posted February 6, 2020 torque shaft pilot bearings avail from OLDMOPARTS.COM-Andy Bernbaums Cannot remember if there was some type of clip outside edge to retain them -to long ago to remember. When parts are off they will show if there is a groove for a snap ring type or not. DJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgeb4ya Posted February 6, 2020 Report Share Posted February 6, 2020 (edited) Bearings # 635884...4 required Clutch Torque Shaft Bearing Retaining Clip There are two styles of spring /snap ring clips that retain the two bearing halves in on the frame side of the torque shaft. it fits/snaps into a machined groove in the clutch torque shaft on the frame side only. Shown is the later easily replaced style. The other style is a semi round wavy cir-clip that snaps into the same groove.... part #1140557 I cannot find the above pictured snap clip part#. Edited February 6, 2020 by Dodgeb4ya 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSabah Posted February 6, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2020 14 minutes ago, Dodgeb4ya said: Clutch Torque Shaft Bearing Retaining Clip Thank guys, so it looks like I’m just missing the retaining clips. Now I know what to look for (and what to ask for) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andydodge Posted February 6, 2020 Report Share Posted February 6, 2020 The original bearing halves are a diecast zinc alloy, however I know that hard white plastic versions are available, exactly the same size and shape as the metal ones.......at least the plastic ones are available here in Oz as the Oz Valiants with manual trans used these on the mechanical clutch linkage at least till the early 70's.....I would have thought that the plastic versions were originally ex US mopar parts as US mopars used mechanical clutches again till at least the mid 70's AFAIK.............andyd 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
classiccarjack Posted February 6, 2020 Report Share Posted February 6, 2020 1 hour ago, Andydodge said: The original bearing halves are a diecast zinc alloy, however I know that hard white plastic versions are available, exactly the same size and shape as the metal ones.......at least the plastic ones are available here in Oz as the Oz Valiants with manual trans used these on the mechanical clutch linkage at least till the early 70's.....I would have thought that the plastic versions were originally ex US mopar parts as US mopars used mechanical clutches again till at least the mid 70's AFAIK.............andyd You are spot on Andydodge! JSabah, you can call Brewers Performance and order the plastic pieces(if needed), the Mopar Muscle cars used them in the "Z" bars well into the 1970's. However, if you have the metal halves, keep those. Don't forget to grease everything up really well when you assemble it. The clutch torque shaft retainer clips may also be available at Brewers, but I don't know for sure. I fortunately have never lost one, and never needed to search for one. Sorry for not being useful on the last part.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSabah Posted February 6, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2020 I called a few suppliers - no luck with the retaining clip yet (looking for 2). I places an "ad" in the classified section in case someone has any extras (maybe from an engine/trans swap). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sniper Posted February 6, 2020 Report Share Posted February 6, 2020 the clips from the later Mopars don't look like the one pictured. https://www.manciniracing.com/zbarballparts.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
classiccarjack Posted February 6, 2020 Report Share Posted February 6, 2020 11 minutes ago, Sniper said: the clips from the later Mopars don't look like the one pictured. https://www.manciniracing.com/zbarballparts.html They are completely different, I never had a car have one of those early clips missing... Thank God... I wish that I knew where one could be easily found. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40desoto Posted February 10, 2020 Report Share Posted February 10, 2020 I recently removed mine and no retaining clip existed. Didnt think they needed one as the rotating part does not move horizontally for them to fall out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSabah Posted February 10, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2020 Good to know. I’ll try and bend one up out of music wire just to have it ... if I cAn. But good to know that it may not be necessary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eneto-55 Posted February 10, 2020 Report Share Posted February 10, 2020 1 hour ago, JSabah said: Good to know. I’ll try and bend one up out of music wire just to have it ... if I cAn. But good to know that it may not be necessary I sort of figured you mean something like piano wire, but had to look it up to be sure. Can you bend that stuff w/o heating it, and if you do, do you need to re-temper it? (I ask for two reasons - natural curiosity, and because I know I'm missing some of those special springs that hold the rollers in the window winding mechanism into the window guides.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonaldSmith Posted February 10, 2020 Report Share Posted February 10, 2020 Years ago, I made a window guide spring from a binder clip. Broken spring in the middle. The safety pin was too small. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgeb4ya Posted February 10, 2020 Report Share Posted February 10, 2020 (edited) If you cannot find the OE part why not save yourself the trouble and use an internal snap ring... McMaster Carr has millions of them. And a great online catalog to find most anything you need. But you can find internal snap rings at your local parts store too... Edited February 10, 2020 by Dodgeb4ya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSabah Posted February 11, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2020 (edited) 9 hours ago, Eneto-55 said: I sort of figured you mean something like piano wire, but had to look it up to be sure. Can you bend that stuff w/o heating it, and if you do, do you need to re-temper it? (I ask for two reasons - natural curiosity, and because I know I'm missing some of those special springs that hold the rollers in the window winding mechanism into the window guides.) Will keep you posted when I find out myself. From the web research I did, I don’t believe you need to heat (or re-temper) it. BTW I had to order 3 pieces each 12” long .... so I may have some extra (if it is the right size for you) Edited February 11, 2020 by JSabah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40desoto Posted February 11, 2020 Report Share Posted February 11, 2020 11 hours ago, JSabah said: Good to know. I’ll try and bend one up out of music wire just to have it ... if I cAn. But good to know that it may not be necessary 21 hours ago, 40desoto said: I recently removed mine and no retaining clip existed. Didnt think they needed one as the rotating part does not move horizontally for them to fall out. i stand corrected. I just took my assembly apart and noticed one side had the retaining clip and the side that goes to the engine side does not. The side that uses the retaining clip has a groove as the other side doesnt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgeb4ya Posted February 11, 2020 Report Share Posted February 11, 2020 That style spring clip is really strong and tough to install and remove. Yep clip only installs on one side with the groove. The clip I show is so much easier to service... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSabah Posted February 11, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2020 Interesting... I just assumed (my 1st mistake) that both sides had them. I also have one on the outside and not the engine side. Maybe I’m not missing anything. But I still can’t get the clutch pedal to return ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40desoto Posted February 11, 2020 Report Share Posted February 11, 2020 53 minutes ago, Dodgeb4ya said: That style spring clip is really strong and tough to install and remove. Yep clip only installs on one side with the groove. The clip I show is so much easier to service... Thanks. Havent had to put on in but I can imagine. I will be looking for one like on your clip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lepic56 Posted February 11, 2020 Report Share Posted February 11, 2020 will they show the torque shaft in the Chrysler master tech video series,,?? maybe this one,,,,A Good Man In The Clutch 2-4 (016) dec 1948.. http://www.mymopar.com/index.php?pid=387 or the booklet http://www.mymopar.com/downloads/mtsc/016.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40desoto Posted February 16, 2020 Report Share Posted February 16, 2020 On 2/10/2020 at 9:10 PM, JSabah said: Interesting... I just assumed (my 1st mistake) that both sides had them. I also have one on the outside and not the engine side. Maybe I’m not missing anything. But I still can’t get the clutch pedal to return ? Once I installed the clutch spring My clutch pedal doesnt return either. We might be having the same issue. Ill be posting a separate thread on this issue but thought Id share with you here as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSabah Posted February 16, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2020 4 hours ago, 40desoto said: Once I installed the clutch spring My clutch pedal doesnt return either. We might be having the same issue. Ill be posting a separate thread on this issue but thought Id share with you here as well. I'll look for your posts. I was able however get my pedal to return....at least most of the way. It turns out that I had the spring that keeps a bit of tension on the clutch fork on while I adjusted the clutch rod. When I disconnected that (small/light) spring, I was able to adjust the rod to the proper location. In fact there was so much that needed to be adjusted, that I had to turn the bracket that holds the rod on the pivot side around. Once I did that, a bit of adjusting of the "over center" spring as per the manual and it started working. A bit of lubricant and forcing new grease in the zerks helped too. Your setup being an earlier car is a bit different as I dont believe you have an overcenter spring but rather a main spring and a return springs. I think starting with the rod correct may help you and then use the manual for your setup. My pedal doesnt quite cone all the way up but it comes up enough to not "ride" the clutch. Maybe it will work itself out a bit or a bit more fiddling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40desoto Posted February 17, 2020 Report Share Posted February 17, 2020 1 hour ago, JSabah said: I'll look for your posts. I was able however get my pedal to return....at least most of the way. It turns out that I had the spring that keeps a bit of tension on the clutch fork on while I adjusted the clutch rod. When I disconnected that (small/light) spring, I was able to adjust the rod to the proper location. In fact there was so much that needed to be adjusted, that I had to turn the bracket that holds the rod on the pivot side around. Once I did that, a bit of adjusting of the "over center" spring as per the manual and it started working. A bit of lubricant and forcing new grease in the zerks helped too. Your setup being an earlier car is a bit different as I dont believe you have an overcenter spring but rather a main spring and a return springs. I think starting with the rod correct may help you and then use the manual for your setup. My pedal doesnt quite cone all the way up but it comes up enough to not "ride" the clutch. Maybe it will work itself out a bit or a bit more fiddling. Thanks! Thats exactly what fixed mine. I extended the rod in order to adjust and now the pedal comes all the way back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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