New Fuel Pump, But No Fuel

[jgreg53]

is the fuel pump supposed to suck the fuel through the line from the tank?

[greg g]

Yes! Inlet is on the suction side of the diaphragm, out let on the pressure side.  If there are air leaks on the suction side, it will not create suction.  Do you have your lines connected properly?

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[M.Klapp]

  On 7/30/2017 at 11:51 PM, Young Ed said:

I've had 1 that no matter what wouldn't prime from turning over but a couple brief starts by manually filling and it was good. Of course you gotta make sure it's not getting air

 

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Well Ed, you sir are the winner!  She's a runner!  Filled the gerry can up all the way, kept feeding the carb fuel, an low and behold . . . . She starts and runs AWESOME.  Almost perfect idle, but she's really rich.  

Thanks to everyone for the advise!

M.Klapp

[greg g]

Check your float level.

[M.Klapp]

Link to it running: https://instagram.com/p/BXT46CcBRADp7pSl8zMzTlZouRnHAOdolg2WNk0/

[M.Klapp]

  On 8/3/2017 at 12:13 AM, jgreg53 said:

is the fuel pump supposed to suck the fuel through the line from the tank?

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Yes.  Fuel pump pulls from the tank, or in my case gerry can.

M.Klapp

[M.Klapp]

  On 8/3/2017 at 12:37 AM, greg g said:

Check your float level.

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Yeah, we eyeballed it on the rebuild.  Didn't have a gauge float gauge.   

M.Klapp

[Young Ed]

  On 8/3/2017 at 12:45 AM, M.Klapp said:

Yeah, we eyeballed it on the rebuild.  Didn't have a gauge float gauge.   

M.Klapp

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All you need is something flat to lay across the carb and a ruler. 

[M.Klapp]

  On 8/3/2017 at 3:10 AM, Young Ed said:

All you need is something flat to lay across the carb and a ruler. 

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Yeah, that's what we did.  Rebuild kit measurement wasn't 100% clear, just said to use a 5/64th gauge, but didn't reference what to measure to.  We laid a straight edge on the carb and eyeballed 5/64th (don't have anything that measures to 5/64th) to the top of the float.

Ill try and get a gauge/ruler with the 64th marks.  Can anyone verify 5/64th is right?

M.Klapp 

[Young Ed]

  On 8/3/2017 at 10:39 AM, M.Klapp said:

Yeah, that's what we did.  Rebuild kit measurement wasn't 100% clear, just said to use a 5/64th gauge, but didn't reference what to measure to.  We laid a straight edge on the carb and eyeballed 5/64th (don't have anything that measures to 5/64th) to the top of the float.

Ill try and get a gauge/ruler with the 64th marks.  Can anyone verify 5/64th is right?

M.Klapp 

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Did you hold the float up against the needle valve when measuring?

[M.Klapp]

  On 8/3/2017 at 12:05 PM, Young Ed said:

Did you hold the float up against the needle valve when measuring?

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Yes.  

M.Klapp

 

[Jerry Roberts]

  On 8/3/2017 at 10:39 AM, M.Klapp said:

Yeah, that's what we did.  Rebuild kit measurement wasn't 100% clear, just said to use a 5/64th gauge, but didn't reference what to measure to.  We laid a straight edge on the carb and eyeballed 5/64th (don't have anything that measures to 5/64th) to the top of the float.

Ill try and get a gauge/ruler with the 64th marks.  Can anyone verify 5/64th is right?

M.Klapp 

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Sometimes you can use a drill bit for measuring . 

[Fernando Mendes]

  On 8/3/2017 at 10:39 AM, M.Klapp said:

Yeah, that's what we did.  Rebuild kit measurement wasn't 100% clear, just said to use a 5/64th gauge, but didn't reference what to measure to.  We laid a straight edge on the carb and eyeballed 5/64th (don't have anything that measures to 5/64th) to the top of the float.

Ill try and get a gauge/ruler with the 64th marks.  Can anyone verify 5/64th is right?

M.Klapp 

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Is this gauge 5/64"?

4/64"=1/16" or 5/64"=1/16"+1/64"

[Fernando Mendes]

  On 8/5/2017 at 1:54 AM, Jerry Roberts said:

Sometimes you can use a drill bit for measuring . 

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*FLOAT SETTING:When using a SOLID needle,the distance  from the top of float should be 5/64 inch(gauge T109-50),plus or minus 1/64 inch,below top surface of carbureter body casting.Float setting for SPRING loaded needle and seat assembly:place a .050" feeler gauge between lip of float and intake needle pin.With intake needle spring fully compressed,top of float should be 5/64 inch (1,98mm) (gauge T109-50) below top surface of carbureter body casting.Adjust by bending lip on float.

[M.Klapp]

  On 8/5/2017 at 12:08 PM, Fernando Mendes said:

Is this gauge 5/64"?

4/64"=1/16" or 5/64"=1/16"+1/64"

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  On 8/6/2017 at 3:52 PM, Fernando Mendes said:

*FLOAT SETTING:When using a SOLID needle,the distance  from the top of float should be 5/64 inch(gauge T109-50),plus or minus 1/64 inch,below top surface of carbureter body casting.Float setting for SPRING loaded needle and seat assembly:place a .050" feeler gauge between lip of float and intake needle pin.With intake needle spring fully compressed,top of float should be 5/64 inch (1,98mm) (gauge T109-50) below top surface of carbureter body casting.Adjust by bending lip on float.

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Thanks Fernando.  Plan on making a gauge, should be pretty easy.  And, its definitely getting too much fuel.  Getting some seepage at the bowl gasket.

M.Klapp

[Frank Elder]

Someone on here, Greg, I think, said to lower the float level 1/32? below what the manual calls for in order to compensate for todays fuel expanding differently/more rapidly causing the engine to run rich......

[M.Klapp]

  On 8/7/2017 at 9:41 AM, Frank Elder said:

Someone on here, Greg, I think, said to lower the float level 1/32? below what the manual calls for in order to compensate for todays fuel expanding differently/more rapidly causing the engine to run rich......

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That's good to know.  Anyone have a link to that post?

[Plymouthy Adams]

  On 8/7/2017 at 1:10 AM, M.Klapp said:

 

Thanks Fernando.  Plan on making a gauge, should be pretty easy.  And, its definitely getting too much fuel.  Getting some seepage at the bowl gasket.

M.Klapp

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keep in mind that for an accurate set of round feeler gauges one can use the appropriate drill bit.......

[M.Klapp]

  On 8/7/2017 at 12:05 PM, Plymouthy Adams said:

keep in mind that for an accurate set of round feeler gauges one can use the appropriate drill bit.......

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I've heard this before and I'm just not picturing it in my head.  I feel like the top edge of the bowl won't lie the bit sit flat.

Sorry, maybe I just need to try it.

M.Klapp

[Plymouthy Adams]

  On 8/7/2017 at 12:36 PM, M.Klapp said:

I've heard this before and I'm just not picturing it in my head.  I feel like the top edge of the bowl won't lie the bit sit flat.

Sorry, maybe I just need to try it.

M.Klapp

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invert the carb, place a flat edge across the top of carb bowl.....with float now hanging in the full rise position (fuel shutoff)....insert the feeler gauge...adjust float tab as needed to get proper or personal selected gap...

if you look at the guage in the picture, it is just a straight edge with a 5/64 tab...the bit will substitute for the tab.

[Frank Elder]

  On 8/7/2017 at 12:01 PM, M.Klapp said:

That's good to know.  Anyone have a link to that post?

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PM this guy.....he will tell you if I;m wrong....lol.

 

http://p15-d24.com/profile/17-greg-g/

[Fernando Mendes]

[M.Klapp]

Got it up and running again, was having a starting issue, but have some seepage on the driver side front edge of the bowl still.  New (2nd one) gasket and torqued down as much as I dare without ripping the threads out.

M.Klapp

 

[Warren kruger]

Make sure pump arm is possioned properly under cam lobe that pushes pump arm

[M.Klapp]

  On 11/1/2017 at 12:21 PM, Warren kruger said:

Make sure pump arm is possioned properly under cam lobe that pushes pump arm

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Yup, we’re all good now.  

Thanks

M.Klapp