1940plymouth Posted June 6, 2011 Report Share Posted June 6, 2011 Mark, my 1940 Plymouth P-10 Business coupe has a 1941 P-12 engine in it, it has the same oil filler cap as you have, but the air cleaner is the smaller one, that doesn't sit as high as yours. I had one given to me like yours, installed it and it rubbed on the inside of the hood, but then again, I have the butterfly hoods on my car and you have the regular type hoods that in 1941 was the first year Plymouth went to them. I have no idea if I have the correct oil filler cap or not, but it was on the engine when I got the Plymouth 23 years ago You have one great looking '41 Plymouth and I am looking forward to seeing a video of it going down the road under motion and also Good luck next month, I hope all your hard work pays off for you. Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobertKB Posted June 7, 2011 Report Share Posted June 7, 2011 (edited) Oil breather cap is wrong as mentioned. Should look like this one on my 1941 Canadian Dodge D21 which really is a time capsule..........a dirty one, but one none the less. Also, just wondering where you got the ivory coloured plastic pieces that go on the window mouldings? Edited June 7, 2011 by RobertKB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Coatney Posted June 7, 2011 Report Share Posted June 7, 2011 Follow this link and add to it for more tools. http://www430.pair.com/p15d24/mopar_forum/showthread.php?t=24775&highlight=tools Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadkingcoupe Posted June 7, 2011 Report Share Posted June 7, 2011 I believe the oil cap pictured is the HD version and there is another oil breather cap that is acceptable. It is the same diameter but shorter (without the extra vents on the lower section) If you need a picture I am sure I can find one around here to post. Nice car, great videos! Oil breather cap is wrong as mentioned. Should look like this one on my 1941 Canadian Dodge D21 which really is a time capsule..........a dirty one, but one none the less.Also, just wondering where you got the ivory coloured plastic pieces that go on the window mouldings? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plymouthasc Posted June 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 8, 2011 Thanks for the feedback on my engine compartment photos. I will summarize what I found out and respond here: The oil cap I have is for a later model. I found I had the correct one in a box of old parts. I had not used it because it was rusted through. I have repaired the holes with JB Weld and painted it up. I will make that change for sure! The sparkplug covers were original equipment. I have attached photos to show them illustrated in the engine diagram and installed on my car. I imagine these were one of the first parts to be discarded by a mechanic. They are a bother when working on the car. The covers are made from brown bakelite. There are companion pieces that cover the terminals on the distributor cap. You will also note the original A7 (without the *) that came on the car. I only point this out, because I was pleased to find them and then discovered you can't even see them with the spark covers installed. The distributor is in the correct position. I varified with a photo in the original shop manual. Good catch on the body tag! Mine was completely worn out. The fellow in Poland who makes the reproduction tags using the acid screen etch process is making me a new one. The coupe body was actually built by Dodge (this is verified on the build sheet) and not Briggs. So rather than having a Briggs body number tag, the Coupes have a Body Number XXXXXX Chrysler Motors tag that looks a loot like the manufaturer's tag, but smaller. I have called the club technical advisor about the color of the heat shield. I have a paint list that show it as being black. I want to verify that. What color is it otherwise? I know the comment said he had never seen one black. This will be an easy fix either way. I have attached a couple of other photos with quesetions. Is the Everseal R3 radiator cap correct for this era car? I am confounded by the oil filters. I believe the filters were usually added by the dealer and there were several option available. I believe the one I have is correct, but it may be a later model as I believe the part number is too long for a '41. I used this filter rather than some others I have because it was NOS out of the box with an original decal. I have talked to the head judge about the filter/ filter number/ filter style etc. and he was not sure what exactly was correct either. So I am not sure what to do about that. I have attached a photo of another filter I have. It was the one that was on the car, but the color scheme was one I figured out from research and the decal may be wrong too. Your discussion is appreciated on this topic. Thanks again for everything. Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg g Posted June 8, 2011 Report Share Posted June 8, 2011 Use the search button for oil filters 101. there are lots of permutations, as long as your by pass doesn't have a full flow decal which it doesn't there were multiple options over the years. Most fo the fuel pump shields I have seen are engine color, but low sheen black may be correct foy your car. You might want to reposition the wire on the plug near the air cleaner bracket, maybe its just the camera angle but it loos awful close to having a short. I wouldn't loose any sleep over the rad cap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TodFitch Posted June 8, 2011 Report Share Posted June 8, 2011 I have that same replaceable element oil filter kit on my shelf but the part number is way too big to be from pre-WW2. And a "full flow" sticker is definitely out for that year Plymouth. The information I have indicates that they only used the disposable canister style oil filters through P14 and that the other style was a retro fit. The summary I have is at http://www.ply33.com/Backmatter/EngineColor but other than having Earl Buton say that is the way it is, I don't have an authoritative source to quote. By the way, you mentioned communicating with the "head judge". The head judge for the club or the person organizing judging for the show? Just curious. Not sure who will be drafted for Group 2 judging, but I suspect you'll know more than the judges. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobertKB Posted June 8, 2011 Report Share Posted June 8, 2011 (edited) Hi Mark, On my survivor 1941 Canadian Dodge D21 this is the oil filter on it. My guess is it is either from the factory or added by the dealer upon delivery of the car. It looks the same as the first one you show. Edited June 8, 2011 by RobertKB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg g Posted June 8, 2011 Report Share Posted June 8, 2011 http://www.plymouthbulletin.com/guides/1940_1959.pdf page 20 Judging work sheets for POC events. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T120 Posted June 8, 2011 Report Share Posted June 8, 2011 (edited) Is the Everseal R3 radiator cap correct for this era car? Hi Mark, I removed the radiator cap as fitted on my Dodge and took a couple of photos.The part number for this cap is the same as for your car, part # 837237 for a non-pressure cooling system for the years 1939-48..Probably any similar cap would be suitable...Ralph Edited June 11, 2011 by Ralph D25cpe photos didn't upload properly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fstfish66 Posted June 10, 2011 Report Share Posted June 10, 2011 MARK,, the car is looking great, cant wait to see the final videos on it,, ide like a copy file on the miller tools please,,, fstfish66@aol.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plymouthasc Posted June 12, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 (edited) Hi! I posted video #13. I did a step-by-step assembly of one of the doors. The car will be in the upholstery shop this week. I got a look at the seats partially covered and I am pleased with what I see so far. They are being very careful to match the original upholstery that has been in the car since new. The fabrics are slightly different, but I think they are a good representation of the original materials. I also did some follow-up on the "virtual judging" you all did on my engine compartment. I found the original oil cap. It had several rust holes in it, but I was able to fill them with JB Weld and I think it came out fine. Photo below. I also followed up with the POC 1941 technical advisor. He said the heat shield was painted black on these cars. Finally, I was able to get the fellow in Poland who makes the id tags to make me a Body ID Tag that matches my original. The coupe bodies were built by Dodge (not Briggs) and therefore they have a different body number tag. I have attached a photo of the tag I had made. These are very high quality tags done in the original acid etch method with raised letters. He has more of these if you are interested. Thanks for everyone's support and feedback. There are a couple of items I have not been able to find (like the battery hold down frame). I will post a list of these items soon. Hopefully someone will know a good source. Mark Edited June 13, 2011 by plymouthasc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P-12 Tommy Posted June 13, 2011 Report Share Posted June 13, 2011 Excellent Mark!! Love it! Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobertKB Posted June 13, 2011 Report Share Posted June 13, 2011 Another great video! Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fstfish66 Posted June 14, 2011 Report Share Posted June 14, 2011 nice job on the door glass,,,,exellant video Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plymouthasc Posted June 21, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 Hi again! I posted video #14 about the restoration of my 1941 Plymouth ASC. It is on YouTube: I talk about getting the car registered in California, show the cars of Jim Yergin and Johan Torola , and assemble one of the front door garnish moldings and ventilator window. The car will be back from the uupholstery shop this week and final assembly is coming soon! Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockable Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 Excellent job, Mark! I'll be reviewing that one when I reassemble my doors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kbuhagiar Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 Video #14 is A1, as usual. Great job, Mark. Can't wait for the final build! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P-12 Tommy Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 Excellent!! Great video Mark!! Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andydodge Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 Fully agree...........great videos, just a shame the presenter is a bit so-so...........lol..........seriously tho' Mark, these are the absolute best thing regarding old mopars I've seen in years and a real credit to you.......many thanks & regards, andyd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Yergin Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 Mark, Thanks for including the pictures of my car. Another great video. Jim Yergin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrwrstory Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 What a great job! I'm guessing that doing the video is as time consuming, if not more, than building the car. Obviously a labor of love and we are all the benefactors of you multiple effort. Your research, attention to detail and commitment to document the project sets a standard. Thank you! Now that the car is nearly finished, do you have another project in the wings? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbbbbb99 Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 Mark, what a great set of videos. I haven't watched all of them but I'd pay you to burn them to a DVD for me. This is what the hobby needs. GREAT stuff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P-12 Tommy Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 Mark, How many people are helping you assemble the P12? Just curious. Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobertKB Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 Mark, another great video! Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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