Barry Maxwell Posted January 28, 2011 Report Posted January 28, 2011 When I bought my truck ('51 B3C) it came with a box full of old parts, most of which I can identify. There are two parts in the attached photo that I have no clue what they are or whether they even go with my truck. At first I thought that the rubber strap (it's difficult to see in the photo) was to support the fresh air duct between the grill and heater. It is, however, too short for that. Can anyone help identify these parts? Quote
Young Ed Posted January 28, 2011 Report Posted January 28, 2011 (edited) The silver piece looks like part of the intake manifold mounted throttle linkage. Haven't seen one with that ball looking end though. Edited January 28, 2011 by Young Ed added pic Quote
48Dodger Posted January 28, 2011 Report Posted January 28, 2011 I'm thinking a transmission shifter. Mounts right on the tranny....just guessing here. 48D Quote
greg g Posted January 28, 2011 Report Posted January 28, 2011 Is the strap for keeping the jack/tool bag from clattering around?? Quote
Dodgeb4ya Posted January 29, 2011 Report Posted January 29, 2011 The steel piece is part of the 3 speed shift linkage at the steering column. The strap is a battery hold down for a Yugo. Bob Quote
52b3b Joe Posted January 29, 2011 Report Posted January 29, 2011 its part of the linkage for the column shift. I just rebuilt mine a couple months ago, here are a few pictures. hope this helps! Quote
Barry Maxwell Posted January 29, 2011 Author Report Posted January 29, 2011 its part of the linkage for the column shift. I just rebuilt mine a couple months ago, here are a few pictures. hope this helps! Thank you for identifying the bracket. My truck originally had a column shift, but at some point the previous owner changed the transmission to a four speed with floor shift. He obviously saved the bracket and put it in the box many years ago. I have yet to determine what transmission I have. However, I think that I will have a problem because the floor shift comes up through a gorilla hole in the middle of the transmission cover, and the parking brake does not come up in the right place. Obviously, I will have another problem for another day. I can hardly wait! Thanks again. As for the battery hold down strap for a Yugo, I have NO idea why that was in the box. Thanks for the information. Quote
MBF Posted January 29, 2011 Report Posted January 29, 2011 Barry, check ebay. I've seen both the 3 speed and 4 speed transmission covers listed from time to time. You can tell which 4 speed you have by looking at the drain plug (help me out here guys-I'm not sure if I have this right or not). If the drain plug is angled you have the syncronized 4 speed, if its straight-you have the clashbox. Mike Quote
wallytoo Posted January 29, 2011 Report Posted January 29, 2011 the strap looks more like the old bungees that were used to hold a pair of skis together for easier carrying. two were used, one at each end of the skis, back before the days of brake-equipped bindings that now do the same thing. Quote
Merle Coggins Posted January 29, 2011 Report Posted January 29, 2011 Barry, check ebay. I've seen both the 3 speed and 4 speed transmission covers listed from time to time. You can tell which 4 speed you have by looking at the drain plug (help me out here guys-I'm not sure if I have this right or not). If the drain plug is angled you have the syncronized 4 speed, if its straight-you have the clashbox. Mike Other way around. A plug that angles down is a spur gear trans. The syncro-mesh trans has the plug pointing straight back. Merle Quote
Barry Maxwell Posted January 29, 2011 Author Report Posted January 29, 2011 Other way around. A plug that angles down is a spur gear trans. The syncro-mesh trans has the plug pointing straight back. Merle In response to previous posts, I have attached three photos: The first (I think it is the first) is a photo of my current transmission cover plate showing the shifter coming up through the center of the plate, together with the parking brake lever and another lever that is not attached to anything down below. Regardless of the type of 4-speed trans. I have, it seems to me that the shifter shouldn't be in the center of the plate. Correct? The second is a photo of a replacement cover plate that I bought recently on ebay, together with the two toe boards. All are in excellent condition (surface rust only). The third is a photo of the rear of my transmission. Based upon the most recent post from Merle, it would appear that I have a spur gear unit that will require double shifting. Correct? Since I have no brakes, I have not shifted out of granny low or low as I move the truck around. Quote
Merle Coggins Posted January 29, 2011 Report Posted January 29, 2011 Yup, looks like a crashbox. You'll get to learn the art of the double clutch. That spare cover looks like mine, but as I recall mine has the rear hole opened. Does your truck have Fluid Drive? That will set the trans farther back. when I look at pics of my truck my shifter appears to be in the center of the trans cover too, and my truck has Fluid Drive. If you have a B3C you should have the parking brake handle under the dash, not a lever through the floor. It certainly looks like someone made a change at some time. I wonder what the third lever is/was for? Quote
Barry Maxwell Posted January 29, 2011 Author Report Posted January 29, 2011 Yup, looks like a crashbox. You'll get to learn the art of the double clutch. That spare cover looks like mine, but as I recall mine has the rear hole opened. Does your truck have Fluid Drive? That will set the trans farther back. when I look at pics of my truck my shifter appears to be in the center of the trans cover too, and my truck has Fluid Drive. If you have a B3C you should have the parking brake handle under the dash, not a lever through the floor. It certainly looks like someone made a change at some time. I wonder what the third lever is/was for? No, my truck does not have fluid drive. I do have the under dash handle, but it is not connected to anything. The original owner owned a body shop and had a hoist on the back, and perhaps a snow plow on the front (the owner before me wasn't sure about that). Therefore, that extra lever was probably connected Quote
Young Ed Posted January 29, 2011 Report Posted January 29, 2011 Possibly your trans came out of an older truck. The 39-47 trucks all had the lever ebrake. The third hole could have controled a PTO. Quote
Merle Coggins Posted January 29, 2011 Report Posted January 29, 2011 Could have also been from a '48 or '49 B-1 truck. The under dash park brake was introduced in '50 with the B-2's. Merle Quote
oldmopar Posted January 30, 2011 Report Posted January 30, 2011 If it had a hoist on the back the third handle was to operate the PTO which come off on the right side . My 48B1D dump truck uses the a pto for the dump bed. In the photo you can see the flat iron handle is the dump handle for the pto; the emergency brake is also there but it is hard to see in the photo. Quote
Dodgeb4ya Posted January 30, 2011 Report Posted January 30, 2011 If it had a hoist on the back the third handle was to operate the PTO which come off on the right side . My 48B1D dump truck uses the a pto for the dump bed. In the photo you can see the flat iron handle is the dump handle for the pto; the emergency brake is also there but it is hard to see in the photo. The Non-Fluid Drive 4 speed Transmission shifter is in the forward position too. Quote
Barry Maxwell Posted January 30, 2011 Author Report Posted January 30, 2011 I have noticed in several photos in this thread and elsewhere that the 4-speed shifters have two bends in them. As shown in the attached photo of mine, it has only one bend near the floor. Does that give any hint as to what transmission I have? Quote
Merle Coggins Posted January 30, 2011 Report Posted January 30, 2011 My 4 speed shifter only has one bend, but it happens farther up on the shaft than yours. The 4 speeds without FD have 2 bends to get it back towards the operator since it comes through the floor farther forward. Pull the trans cover and show us a pic of the trans top cover. The 4 speed transmissions that I have, have the shift tower up at the front of the cover, which hangs over the front of the trans case a little bit. Maybe it's from a different year range that uses a different cover? Merle Quote
Barry Maxwell Posted January 30, 2011 Author Report Posted January 30, 2011 Pull the trans cover and show us a pic of the trans top cover. The 4 speed transmissions that I have, have the shift tower up at the front of the cover, which hangs over the front of the trans case a little bit. Maybe it's from a different year range that uses a different cover? Merle I pulled the cover without shearing bolts for a change. The attached photos show the top of the transmission. Do these shed any more light on the subject? Quote
Merle Coggins Posted January 31, 2011 Report Posted January 31, 2011 That's definitely a different top cover. Are you sure it's a 4 speed? Merle Quote
Dodgeb4ya Posted January 31, 2011 Report Posted January 31, 2011 (edited) That's definitely a different top cover. Are you sure it's a 4 speed? Merle 1941-7 Dodge truck spur gear 4 speeds have the shifter shaft centered in the top housing cover as shown. Later B-series have the shifter shaft pushed to the front of the top cover on most all models except FD. Bob Edited February 1, 2011 by Dodgeb4ya Quote
Barry Maxwell Posted January 31, 2011 Author Report Posted January 31, 2011 1941-7 Dodge truck spur gear 4 speeds have the shifter shaft centered in the top housing cover as shown. Later B-series have the shifter shaft pushed to the front of the top cover on most all models except FD.Bob Merle: Yes, it is a 4-speed. Although I have only had it in low, first, and reverse because of no brakes, low through third is in an H pattern, and reverse is all the to the right and down. Bob: Thanks for the information. I have no clue why the PO would replace the '51 3-speed with a 41-47 4-speed. Although I am a long way from having to deal with the transmission situation, how easy would it be to find a 48-53 syncro transmission as a replacement? Although the original truck had a column shift, I am not necessarily wedded to going back to that. At this point I am simply thinking about my future options. I have more than enough to keep me busy on this project for quite a while. Thanks to everyone for chipping in on this thread. WATA Forum!! Quote
Merle Coggins Posted January 31, 2011 Report Posted January 31, 2011 I have a 4 speed syncro-mesh trans out of a B-3-C, but shipping from WI to PA may be cost prohibitive. It's quite heavy. Merle Quote
Dodgeb4ya Posted January 31, 2011 Report Posted January 31, 2011 That spur gear 4 speed should work just fine as is! Quote
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