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[Marty C]

2 hours ago, Sniper said:

 

I've seen where someone has used an air hammer to do the trick,

 

That someone was not me.

 

 

 

Might try a set of DORMAN 568010

 

https://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo.php?pk=1261394&pt=5332&jsn=11

Well I have to say all of my plugs are completely still rounded cone shaped NOT DIMPLED in 

now I’m sure they weren’t put in correctly!!

[Marty C]

2 hours ago, Sniper said:

 

I've seen where someone has used an air hammer to do the trick,

 

That someone was not me.

 

 

 

Might try a set of DORMAN 568010

 

https://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo.php?pk=1261394&pt=5332&jsn=11

Sniper , that Dorman 568010 set looks like you don’t have to pound them in !!

looks to me like you just have to fit them in and tighten that nut! Is that right?

have you used the Dorman ones?

[Los_Control]

Just now, Marty C said:

Well I have to say all of my plugs are completely still rounded cone shaped NOT DIMPLED in 

now I’m sure they weren’t put in correctly!!

I like the video sniper showed .... as stated it is technology that was used over 50 years ago ..... You have a sharp young machinist  30 years old installing them in your engine ... It is old school tech. Just not expected they would know how to properly install them.

 

The rubber plugs have mixed feelings ...... Some say they are great to do a roadside repair to get home then fix properly.

Others say they been running them for 15 years with no issues.

Your car your choice.

[Marty C]

1 hour ago, Los_Control said:

I like the video sniper showed .... as stated it is technology that was used over 50 years ago ..... You have a sharp young machinist  30 years old installing them in your engine ... It is old school tech. Just not expected they would know how to properly install them.

 

The rubber plugs have mixed feelings ...... Some say they are great to do a roadside repair to get home then fix properly.

Others say they been running them for 15 years with no issues.

Your car your choice.

Rubber?

they looked like brass to me (Dorman) but the nut seems to be on the wrong side so I’m not sure how to install them 

you tube search just yielded modern plugs even when I listed the Dorman part number

[Plymouthy Adams]

the rubber seal is sandwiched between the backing plate and the outside cover and nut...install....tighten the nut, expand the rubber, you got your seal...this is a thin one designed to work for the flat disc and usually zero pressure system.  IF you decide to use the thicker rubber, they work but be advised, they are very thick, my experience using one on a limp in...they hit the cylinder casting and as such the metal front plate does not self-locate.  HOWEVER if you slice these thicker rubbers discs in half...they will insert cleanly and seal nicely and not look that out of place.  I still like these for an on the road emergency...but I do not call them permanent solution the to the metal plug

[soth122003]

6 hours ago, Sniper said:

I've seen where someone has used an air hammer to do the trick,

That would be me. It was the furthest one back by the starter and the engine was in the car. On the bottom of my air hammer is a valve adjuster and turned all the way out it do a slow pulse pound like thump, thump, thump, instead out the machine gun effect like most of them. Trigger control is highly recommended as well.

 

Joe Lee

[FarmerJon]

I used one of the Dorman rubber expansion plugs. It got me off the side of the road, and a year later is still staying put. I can see minor traces of seepage around it.

 

I don't think I would want them on a newly rebuilt engine, long term. 

[Marty C]

9 hours ago, Plymouthy Adams said:

the rubber seal is sandwiched between the backing plate and the outside cover and nut...install....tighten the nut, expand the rubber, you got your seal...this is a thin one designed to work for the flat disc and usually zero pressure system.  IF you decide to use the thicker rubber, they work but be advised, they are very thick, my experience using one on a limp in...they hit the cylinder casting and as such the metal front plate does not self-locate.  HOWEVER if you slice these thicker rubbers discs in half...they will insert cleanly and seal nicely and not look that out of place.  I still like these for an on the road emergency...but I do not call them permanent solution the to the metal plug

Oh ok thank you 

I shall get a set and keep in the glove box

[Marty C]

6 hours ago, FarmerJon said:

I used one of the Dorman rubber expansion plugs. It got me off the side of the road, and a year later is still staying put. I can see minor traces of seepage around it.

 

I don't think I would want them on a newly rebuilt engine, long term. 

Thank you Farmer

[Sniper]

On 7/14/2023 at 8:08 PM, Marty C said:

Sniper , that Dorman 568010 set looks like you don’t have to pound them in !!

looks to me like you just have to fit them in and tighten that nut! Is that right?

have you used the Dorman ones?

I have a set I haven't installed them yet. I'm about 300 miles from home so I can't go look at them but I don't think they are rubber at all. When I get home later today and if I remember I'll go pull them out and look

[Sniper]

On 7/14/2023 at 11:53 PM, soth122003 said:

That would be me. It was the furthest one back by the starter and the engine was in the car. On the bottom of my air hammer is a valve adjuster and turned all the way out it do a slow pulse pound like thump, thump, thump, instead out the machine gun effect like most of them. Trigger control is highly recommended as well.

 

Joe Lee

One thing I learned long ago is that if you have one freeze plug Rican odds are the restaurant their way. So I just end up yanking the engine and replacing them all in which case access to do it approved way is easy if I was on the side of the road I might try a temp fix

[rallyace]

On 7/14/2023 at 6:28 PM, Sniper said:

 

I've seen where someone has used an air hammer to do the trick,

 

That someone was not me.

 

 

 

Might try a set of DORMAN 568010

 

https://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo.php?pk=1261394&pt=5332&jsn=11

That someone was probably me. I had a leaking welsh plug in a difficult to access location by the starter motor. The steering shaft limited my ability to use a hammer to expand the new plug.  I rounded off an air chisel tip to use as the tool to expand the plug. I removed the leaking plug, cleaned and dried the opening, applied a shellac gasket sealer to the block and used a light application with the air chisel to expand the plug. The opportune term her is 'light'. This repair has not leaked in 4 years so I guess it could be considered to be an alternate way to make the repair. Again, the opportune term is 'light' application. You are not trying to pound the welsh plug through the block, just expand it slightly.

[Jerry Roberts]

The Dorman 568010 Has no rubber parts and you don't pound them in , just tighten the nut . I carry one in my glove box . 

[Marty C]

1 hour ago, rallyace said:

That someone was probably me. I had a leaking welsh plug in a difficult to access location by the starter motor. The steering shaft limited my ability to use a hammer to expand the new plug.  I rounded off an air chisel tip to use as the tool to expand the plug. I removed the leaking plug, cleaned and dried the opening, applied a shellac gasket sealer to the block and used a light application with the air chisel to expand the plug. The opportune term her is 'light'. This repair has not leaked in 4 years so I guess it could be considered to be an alternate way to make the repair. Again, the opportune term is 'light' application. You are not trying to pound the welsh plug through the block, just expand it slightly.

That’s the first one that blew on me!!

it tilted out left me stranded

when I got towed back, I tapped it back in. Then covered the entire area with JBweld certainly not the correct way but it lasted then 2 other ones blew at various times not the ones with JB weld!!

so after the last one I put JB weld on that one and also the remaining two !

I do have a set of new Welch plugs and the correct anaerobic sealer to do the job the right way. But for now the JB weld is holding perfectly!

[Marty C]

13 minutes ago, Jerry Roberts said:

The Dorman 568010 Has no rubber parts and you don't pound them in , just tighten the nut . I carry one in my glove box . 

That’s what I’m going to do!!

thank you for confirming you just tighten the nut!!

a perfect way to off waiting for a tow!!