dodge 23" engine versus a cranbrook '53 engine

[bluefoxamazone]

hello!

Finding parts for my cranbrook '53 engine in Europe is a real pain in the b*tt. Now I have seen that a similar engine was mounted in military vehicles such as the dodge wc series.

To give an example; if I look for an oil pan gasket for a plymouth cranbrook '53 it is impossible to find anything.

If I look for a oil pan gasket for a Dodge WC engine, I have the choice between 5 companies that sell these.

So for the dodge specialists among us. What type of Dodge engine would correspond the best with my plymouth D24 217 engine? This could save me a lot of money on engine parts...

Thanks again for the well appreciated advice,

 

regards,

 

Franky

[Worden18]

Hi Franky, can you not order an oil pan gasket set from here?  Scroll down about 3/4 of the page.  They have many other parts for your Plymouth it seems.

http://www.oldmoparts.com/parts-engine.aspx

[bluefoxamazone]

sure I can....I pay 50 USD for shipment.... and another 65 USD customs fee and I have to wait 25 days....SO my 100 US dollar order easily will cost me double....

I am looking to buy also wheel brake cilinders in the US, You don't want to know the cost untill they are on my bench... That is why I would like to buy within Europe. grtz

 

[Worden18]

47 minutes ago, bluefoxamazone said:

sure I can....I pay 50 USD for shipment.... and another 65 USD customs fee and I have to wait 25 days....SO my 100 US dollar order easily will cost me double....

I am looking to buy also wheel brake cilinders in the US, You don't want to know the cost untill they are on my bench... That is why I would like to buy within Europe. grtz

 

I figured it was something like that; sorry the whole thing is a pain in the a**.  Getting car parts shouldn't have to cost so much.  Hope you can find a way man 

[greg g]

Gaskets should be the same, military spec set may include some extra if the engine was "waterproof " or had positive crankcase breather system, but should fit your engine.  Does your car have 10 inch brake drums with two wheel cylinders on the front wheels?  If so the Mopar part numbers  should be. Front upper right 1117802,front lower right 1117800, left front upper1117801,left. Front lower 1117803, 

Rear both sides1117808.   Those should cross over to Raybestos, or Wagner numbers.

Hope that helps.

[bluefoxamazone]

7 hours ago, greg g said:

Gaskets should be the same, military spec set may include some extra if the engine was "waterproof " or had positive crankcase breather system, but should fit your engine.  Does your car have 10 inch brake drums with two wheel cylinders on the front wheels?  If so the Mopar part numbers  should be. Front upper right 1117802,front lower right 1117800, left front upper1117801,left. Front lower 1117803, 

Rear both sides1117808.   Those should cross over to Raybestos, or Wagner numbers.

Hope that helps.

Hello Gregg, thanks for the info. I don' t expect the brakes from a Dodge WC to be the same as from the Cranbrook. I would already be happy if engine parts are interchangeable. That is why I would like to know what Dodge WC engine is the closest match to a Plymouth P24 engine...

Edited January 4, 2018 by bluefoxamazone

[greg g]

Brake parts are car numbers.

[DJ194950]

Check this company for car motor and military parts crossover. They specialize in military Mopar vehicle parts-I have read many times how helpful they have been in the past. Many parts are the same but I cannot be totally specific. A free? phone call to see if they will help you out considering the pricing challenges for US parts to Europe.

DJ

https://www.vintagepowerwagons.com/

[Andydodge]

Franky, main thing to remember is to keep referring to exactly what engine is in your car irrespective really as to what parts you need as the engine size & consequently its "family" will indicate basically the rest of it......................Franky here in Oz we have had to deal with this problem since the early 1950's, in fact for example 1953/54 Oz assembled Mopars used BOTH SHORT 23" and LONG 25" engines in the SAME year, the differences being the type of gearbox that the car was originally produced with, ie, 3 speed manual, 3 speed with Overdrive or 2 speed Powerflite Automatic.......... and from 1957 with the Oz Chrysler Royals they added the 3 speed Torqueflite Auto into the mix as well as having the V8 Poly plus both types of engine.......................so I can't stress enough that you need to make a habit of mentioning the engine every time as because the car is being outside of the US some incorrect assumptions maybe made by suppliers...............anyway just trying to help..................andyd      

[bluefoxamazone]

4 hours ago, Andydodge said:

Franky, main thing to remember is to keep referring to exactly what engine is in your car irrespective really as to what parts you need as the engine size & consequently its "family" will indicate basically the rest of it......................Franky here in Oz we have had to deal with this problem since the early 1950's, in fact for example 1953/54 Oz assembled Mopars used BOTH SHORT 23" and LONG 25" engines in the SAME year, the differences being the type of gearbox that the car was originally produced with, ie, 3 speed manual, 3 speed with Overdrive or 2 speed Powerflite Automatic.......... and from 1957 with the Oz Chrysler Royals they added the 3 speed Torqueflite Auto into the mix as well as having the V8 Poly plus both types of engine.......................so I can't stress enough that you need to make a habit of mentioning the engine every time as because the car is being outside of the US some incorrect assumptions maybe made by suppliers...............anyway just trying to help..................andyd      

thanks Andy,  do they know enough if I mention a P24 block..? I fear that if I say this, the Dodge specialist will hear thunder in Cologne....(that's a flemish saying  ;-)  )

[Plymouthy Adams]

if a specialist, he will know enough about the different length engines and should be able to supply your needs KNOWING that the part he will now send is the part you will truly be able to use.

[PT81Jan]

Hey Franky,

I do not have an answer to your question regarding interchanging Dodge/Plymouth (engine) parts.

But I well do know your pain since I am located in Europe, too.

I doubt that it is cheaper to buy from an European dealer, because they have to pay for shipping and customs fee, too. Sure they can combine shipping, but additionally of course they want to earn money with those spare parts...

The question is, how often do we need basic engine parts ? Hopefully not too often.

Mostly you need parts for maintenance, e.g. gaskets.

Some examples how I try do make life a bit easier:

Gaskets: Most  time I need a replacement gasket, then I need it now ! ... I bought some sheets of paper gasket. Available in different thickness and for different purpose. You easily can cut them out with a sharp knife or scissors.

Oilpan gasket: made out of a cork plate from the hardware store. Cut out two sets more... About 8 € for a lot of gasket sets. Works well.

Exhaust gaskets: Forget to find a material and doing it by yourself. Ordered a spare set for the next time I need it. Same with brake cylinders: they are that cheap, that you have to order them in the US despite shipping and customs fee. Order one more, you will never need it then ;-)

Seal rings, ball bearings: Surprisingly some metric standard parts fits to our vehicles. Bought shaft seal rings just around the corner for the front case cover or rear end shafts. Plug an play !

Same with the generator bearing. Bought a metric one - fits perfect. Alternatively, if somebody with a lathe is available, a sleeve can be made to fit the metric thing.

Hope that helps a bit ? Good luck !

Shared pain is half of the pain

Jan

 

 

Edited January 5, 2018 by PT81Jan

[Greg51T&CWagon]

Not sure if the reverse is true but when I restored a early 60s Land Rover some yrs ago, I did a D-Container from the UK to here. It ended up being a big savings over US prices even with costs. Got new springs, cyl head, lots of stuff. All new brakes, lights spare stuff etc...They just piled it all on a pallet and wrapped the boxes in plastic.

[bluefoxamazone]

hello Jan!

thanks for sharing your toughts. True we're in the same boat....

I found out that the Dodge engine T214  should have a lot of interchangeable parts for a Plymouth P24 engine.

I was able to order the oil pan gasket in Holland for 15 euro.....so that is not bad I think. In the meantime I have a nice database of companies that have parts for these dodge engines. Another example... the water distribution pipe is cheaper in France than in the US.. so there are definitely possibilities...

I am sure that for exmple the brake wheel pistons are available in Europe IF we would find the right comparison numbers. I am convinced that there are no 30 plants in the world where they produce these parts....

My search goes on and I am willing to share my findings with our European, coleagues;

take care!

Franky

[Andydodge]

Franky & Jan........when I was chasing parts for the 230 engine I was building up for the 41 Plymouth I found a couple of guys in Turkey who used to list stuff on US ebay and were much cheaper than anything here in Australia even with the postage included, in fact they were cheaper than most of the US listed parts..........these guys tended to list parts under say, "1948 Plymouth" or "1957 Plymouth" so it paid to get to have a good knowledge of what parts fitted what, ie, for example Franky you mentioned a Water Distribution Pipe available in Europe, but there are 2 lengths of these to suit the 2 engine lengths.............BUT each tube suits the full range of its engine family, ie, at least for the 23" engine in 201,217 & 230 capacitys from 1936 to 1959 they all used the same water tube so that increases the scope that you should search ebay...............the guys in Turkey went under the "moparken" handle or something similar and I would recomend dealing with them as shipping was fast, well packed and cheap and being in the EU I think would offer cost benefits also plus it was worth checking all their listings just in case there was something else they had that I wanted...........lol..........andyd  

[bluefoxamazone]

8 minutes ago, Andydodge said:

Franky & Jan........when I was chasing parts for the 230 engine I was building up for the 41 Plymouth I found a couple of guys in Turkey who used to list stuff on US ebay and were much cheaper than anything here in Australia even with the postage included, in fact they were cheaper than most of the US listed parts..........these guys tended to list parts under say, "1948 Plymouth" or "1957 Plymouth" so it paid to get to have a good knowledge of what parts fitted what, ie, for example Franky you mentioned a Water Distribution Pipe available in Europe, but there are 2 lengths of these to suit the 2 engine lengths.............BUT each tube suits the full range of its engine family, ie, at least for the 23" engine in 201,217 & 230 capacitys from 1936 to 1959 they all used the same water tube so that increases the scope that you should search ebay...............the guys in Turkey went under the "moparken" handle or something similar and I would recomend dealing with them as shipping was fast, well packed and cheap and being in the EU I think would offer cost benefits also plus it was worth checking all their listings just in case there was something else they had that I wanted...........lol..........andyd  

i'll check if I can find these gentlemen.....thanks for the info!

grtz,