Empi 32/36 Carb?

[NiftyFifty]

Just a quick ask, how many members are running the Empi 32/36 carb that Langdon's sells for the 2bbl upgrade for the flatheads?  I'm getting exh headers built, and want to go to a 2 barrel on the stock intake, but don't want to order if it's not a good working carb.

 

thanks guys

[59bisquik]

The Empi 32/36 is a Weber 32/36 carb clone. While I have not run one on a flathead, I have run the Empi and Webers on sand rails. I must say the Weber is better built and worth the extra couple bucks versus the Empi clone.

[NiftyFifty]

Buddy recommended going to a Ford 2bl so may consider that as he has one, and is a pro at rebuilding...but it will all come down to how hard it it to build a custom base..the Empi base is cheap from Langdon

[59bisquik]

The Empi is a Weber clone. The jets etc all swap over, so the base should be the same.

[Jeff Balazs]

I believe that VPW sells the Weber. I would guess that it is jetted correctly for a 230. Wouldn't hurt to call them and get their take on this installation.

Jeff

[NiftyFifty]

Ouch, that Weber is almost double the Empi...and to me would be a $520 + shipping cost....I think I may look at some local rebuilt options and check out my other buddy that runs a VW store

[59bisquik]

http://www.carbsdirect.com/SearchResults.asp?Search=32+36+dgev

More in the $250 range and will just need the adapter.

[Jeff Balazs]

Was suggesting VPW as they sell the Weber as a complete kit including adapter. Big thing with a conversion like this is getting the jetting and linkage correct. Can take a while if it isn't close to correct to start with. I imagine VPW has already got these kits set up correctly for our engines. Might at least be worth a call to see if you can get some info on that set up. Something else to consider is that these carbs probably need a good pressure regulator ahead of them. Most Webers seem to work best with about 2.5# of fuel pressure.

Jeff

 

[55 Fargo]

For the price of that Weber, you could have 2 Matching  Carter B&B carbs, the linkages and stock intake converted to dual intake.

Why on earth would anyone entertain a 2 bbl carbs with an adapter plate.

I once had this idea, then was shown how inefficient that would be.

I would think it might work a bit better with a 2 bbl carb intake, but they did not make one for the long block engines.

I do not see or will ever believe a progressive 2 bbl single carb would ever come close to the performance or efficiency of a dual or tri carb properly set up.

 

Edited February 19, 2017 by Rockwood

[NiftyFifty]

Another gem post.......maybe do some reading, it seems to be working quite well for others that have done the swap, thus the reason Langdons sells the kit.  I don't want the hassle of two or three single barrel carbs, and I never asked for opinions on if I should do it....I specifically asked about Empi carbs.

Not hearing much love for the Webber from my buddy running them on his VW, so it's either the Empi or the Ford carb now...just waiting on local pricing on the Empi compared to Langdons.

[55 Fargo]

4mula, I have done the reading, and the searches, as I stated at one point in the past I really was quite interested in this swap.

That kit is a piece of scrap aluminum you can get anywhere from a lot of source incl duding fleabay.

Now Langdons carb plate for swapping in a 2 bbl carb might work well for a Stovebolt 6, I have not seen tooo much documented on a Chrysler Flathead.

I almost went that route, but am glad I did not.

You guys who think( a general term) that multi carb linkage is so difficult, have neither owned a set-up, or are just repeating hearsay. Once set-up, what is the issue, not "rocket science". 

I do not see how this set-up with an adapter plate that starts out wide for the carb base and tapers down and restricts flow, great for cylinder 3 and 4, but what about 1,2 and 5,6.

Good luck, I am not putting down what you intend to do, just do not think its the best way to go.

So I invite all of those who have used an adapter plate like the item Langdon sells and has installed a 2 bbl carb on a Chrysler  flathead 6.

I would much rather have a single stock carter B&B or a Stromberg over this arrangement, how about a small 4 bbl carb?

Edited February 19, 2017 by Rockwood

[50plymouth]

1 hour ago, 4mula-dlx said:

Another gem post.......maybe do some reading, it seems to be working quite well for others that have done the swap, thus the reason Langdons sells the kit.  I don't want the hassle of two or three single barrel carbs, and I never asked for opinions on if I should do it....I specifically asked about Empi carbs.

Not hearing much love for the Webber from my buddy running them on his VW, so it's either the Empi or the Ford carb now...just waiting on local pricing on the Empi compared to Langdons.

without causing a fight here.. Tom Langdon sells them because he bought a huge and I mean a huge quantity of surplus  ones a few years ago. If you wish to run 1 2 barrel carb  verses multiple carbs clearly that is your call.    The ones Tom sell are as good as any and we can avoid the discussion of 2 or 3 singles vs a less effective 2 barrel on a flathead.

[NiftyFifty]

I read different builders on the HAMB and other sites and guys were quite happy with the small boosts of the 2bl and I'm not looking to build a monster, already have that in the rest of my build.  Not to mention, I'm not dropping another $250+ US for a seperate twin single intake, when I can just add my exhaust and a different carb and have everything I need.

 

As for Fred's usual backhanded comments, I've done more work then he has and I also own a dual quad offenhauser for my 383, so I know all I need to about dual linkages and what somebody else wants isn't what I'm after for MY truck.

 

I think sometimes some on here like to interject too much of their opinion (nobody specific) about things that aren't being discussed when the real topic gets washed over.

 

i appreciate the info on the Webber, but I have crossed that off the list, too much money and not great reviews from two people I respect very much here at home.  If anyone is running the Empi I appreciate any feedback, it's still a possibility depending on price.

 

I should mention I'm also looking at Langdons mini hei distributor as apart of this change, so I'm going to be deep into the costs already...I would consider Pertronix, but I feel my dist is too worn out and it's not even a vacuum advance style.

[55 Fargo]

5 minutes ago, 4mula-dlx said:

I read different builders on the HAMB and other sites and guys were quite happy with the small boosts of the 2bl and I'm not looking to build a monster, already have that in the rest of my build.  Not to mention, I'm not dropping another $250+ US for a seperate twin single intake, when I can just add my exhaust and a different carb and have everything I need.

 

As for Fred's usual backhanded comments, I've done more work then he has and I also own a dual quad offenhauser for my 383, so I know all I need to about dual linkages and what somebody else wants isn't what I'm after for MY truck.

 

I think sometimes some on here like to interject too much of their opinion (nobody specific) about things that aren't being discussed when the real topic gets washed over.

 

i appreciate the info on the Webber, but I have crossed that off the list, too much money and not great reviews from two people I respect very much here at home.  If anyone is running the Empi I appreciate any feedback, it's still a possibility depending on price.

 

I should mention I'm also looking at Langdons mini hei distributor as apart of this change, so I'm going to be deep into the costs already...I would consider Pertronix, but I feel my dist is too worn out and it's not even a vacuum advance style.

 

4mula as far as your distributor, have you converted a slant 6 distributor for a flathead  distributor, cuz I have undertaken this, not a real tough job, but if you want electronic ignition, you can also do that and add a GM HEI module with it.

Please keep us posted with your 2 bbl conversion as stated above I am not putting your idea down, just show us the results when you are completed.

 

[sleepy]

I have ran a pair of Langdon's carbs on non mopar(gm) with adapters. I liked how they ran and had no problems. Will probably look into them for my 25" later on a homemade intake. If I remember they were on ford escort. 

[55 Fargo]

4 hours ago, sleepy said:

I have ran a pair of Langdon's carbs on non mopar(gm) with adapters. I liked how they ran and had no problems. Will probably look into them for my 25" later on a homemade intake. If I remember they were on ford escort. 

Again with all do respect, this is a dual carb intake with adapter plates to run 2 X 2bbl carbs.

This in itself is a much more balanced induction over a single carb to feed 3 siamese ports, not the same at all.

Besides this being a totally off topic "Stovebolt" GM 6 overhead valve engine, again a totally different movie.

The engine has 3 siamesed intake ports as well as 4 exhaust ports, so on this engine you need all the exhaust you can blow out...

[55 Fargo]

So any updates from anyone on this "Induction " plan?

Anyone here from Jeff Balazs?

[Young Ed]

2 hours ago, 55 Fargo Spitfire said:

So any updates from anyone on this "Induction " plan?

Anyone here from Jeff Balazs?

I heard he got tired of the BS and quit the forum

[ggdad1951]

11 hours ago, Young Ed said:

I heard he got tired of the BS and quit the forum

this is correct.  Jeff has left the forum due to the bickering and BS.

[Don Coatney]

Jeff told me he left due to censorship.

[ggdad1951]

1 hour ago, Don Coatney said:

Jeff told me he left due to censorship.

I know I haven't really censored anyone (to some people's dismay) but I have given out warnings.  If Tod or GTK did, I didn't know about that.  But my convo with Jeff was around what I said: bickering and bullying BS

[John-T-53]

4 hours ago, ggdad1951 said:

this is correct.  Jeff has left the forum due to the bickering and BS.

I didn't realize that Jeff had gotten caught up in bickering and was the subject of bullying, and/or censorship. Damn! I didn't think it was too prevalent on here, until the recent flare-ups about transmissions.

[JBNeal]

transmissions...throttle return springs...paint colors...mirror arm strength...hole plugs...posting pictures...VIN usage...I have witnessed these subjects become arguments to minor amusement

Edited May 25, 2017 by JBNeal
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[NiftyFifty]

Discussions can always become heated on some topics, and sometimes people look to make them heated, or get that rise, but overall I think the forum works pretty good and the mods do a good job...if Jeff left then it's sad, but somewhat his loss for bailing on the situation, rather then trying to help change it.

 

We have strayed pretty far off this topic as is, but I'm fine with that...I'm going in a 180 degree way on this anyway now..lol