48ply1stcar Posted December 4, 2013 Author Report Posted December 4, 2013 I recently found a company that sells another brand of gasket. I found a an old NAPA gasket and did a search using that part number. I'll try again and let you know where I found the gasket. I want to think it was a German company selling it through a company that carries parts for industrial engines. Quote
48ply1stcar Posted December 5, 2013 Author Report Posted December 5, 2013 Did a little research tonight. The first time I tried to replace a rear main seal I tried it while the engine was in the car. The seal was from NAPA and I was only able to replace the bottom seal. Recently I found the other half and the box. The part number is JV134-9. I found the part listed in the EGGE catalog under Dodge 230. I did a search for the part JV134-9 and found the part listed by "hdengineparts" and it was listed for $22.45. http://hdengineparts.com/Seal-Set-Crankshaft-Rear-JV134-9.htm. Also I searched the manufacture Mahle/Clevite and found a picture, http://catalog.mahleclevite.com/lv/display_partdetail.php?cram=JV1349&direct Quote
48ply1stcar Posted September 23, 2014 Author Report Posted September 23, 2014 Close but no cigar. Even though there are things left to be done on the engine I wanted it in the car so I could clean up half of the garage so I could put a working car inside. I tried to use the 230 oil pan and the tie rod was in the same place as the sump. I didn't which to the 218 oil pan in the first place because the oil pick-up placement. Has anyone changed/moved the oil pick-up to accommodate the oil pan? Quote
Don Coatney Posted September 23, 2014 Report Posted September 23, 2014 When I installed the Desoto engine in my P-15 I had to modify the oil pan for tie rod clearance. George Asche suggested I take a sledge hammer to it but I like doing it my way better. Quote
Young Ed Posted September 23, 2014 Report Posted September 23, 2014 Yes its quite easy. The worst part will be redoing your pan gasket. The pan and pickup off your 218 will swap right over. Quote
48ply1stcar Posted September 23, 2014 Author Report Posted September 23, 2014 Sounds good to me, maybe I'll be able to change the pick-up and pan while the engine is hanging from the lift. And try again next weekend. Quote
Young Ed Posted September 23, 2014 Report Posted September 23, 2014 Sounds good to me, maybe I'll be able to change the pick-up and pan while the engine is hanging from the lift. And try again next weekend. That would make it slightly harder than it being on a stand but certainly a do-able task. Quote
48ply1stcar Posted October 4, 2014 Author Report Posted October 4, 2014 Removed bellhousing, back on the engine stand. I was being lazy so I took the other oil pan in to be sandbasted and painted. Quote
48ply1stcar Posted October 4, 2014 Author Report Posted October 4, 2014 I will need to relocate the oil pick-up before I put on the othe oil pan. I was looking at the parts manual and appears that the oil pick-up tube screws into the block. I am hoping that I can just use a small pipe wrench to back out the pipe. Has anyone ever switched oil pick-up tubes from at 218 to a 230? Quote
48ply1stcar Posted October 8, 2014 Author Report Posted October 8, 2014 Sunday I removed the oil pick-up tube from the 218 and the 230 so that I can use the 218 oil pan with rear facing pick-up tube. Pick-up the shiny oil pan Monday morning. Installed the rear facing pick-up tube and filter so I could dry fit the oil pan to ensure the fit. The I installed the oil pan. Later Monday night I grab the camera and checked the picture of the new configuration. You might notice that when I placed the filter on I just put it in place with a straight cotter pin. So this morning the engine went back on the stand and a new cotter pin went into place. 1 Quote
Don Coatney Posted October 8, 2014 Report Posted October 8, 2014 Another reason pictures are great! Quote
kented Posted October 11, 2014 Report Posted October 11, 2014 Im very impressed with your engine stand. Are you a carpenter by trade? Quote
48ply1stcar Posted November 7, 2014 Author Report Posted November 7, 2014 It's been two years - dear God. And it's still not running. I had to get the motor in before the snow, mid-twenties for highs this weekend. Quote
48ply1stcar Posted November 7, 2014 Author Report Posted November 7, 2014 kented which Vancouver, Washington or Canada? Quote
Ulu Posted November 7, 2014 Report Posted November 7, 2014 I tried to use the 230 oil pan and the tie rod was in the same place as the sump. I didn't which to the 218 oil pan in the first place because the oil pick-up placement. Has anyone changed/moved the oil pick-up to accommodate the oil pan? Hmmm, I put my 218 oil pan right on my 230 engine & didn't have to change the pickup. Perhaps someone had already done it before I bought the engine. It was a '53 Dodge 230, but I bought it out of a '48 DeSoto. Quote
Merle Coggins Posted November 7, 2014 Report Posted November 7, 2014 There are front sump pans and rear sump pans. If you switch between the two then you will have to change the pick up tube as well. And, as 48ply1stcar found out, you may have clearence issues upon reassembly. Otherwise a 218 and 230, if both are 23" engines, are the same block, so the oil pans would be interchangable. Merle Quote
Don Coatney Posted November 7, 2014 Report Posted November 7, 2014 Ulu, on 07 Nov 2014 - 2:14 PM, said:Hmmm, I put my 218 oil pan right on my 230 engine & didn't have to change the pickup. Perhaps someone had already done it before I bought the engine. It was a '53 Dodge 230, but I bought it out of a '48 DeSoto. I wonder if the pan was replaced on the Dodge engine so as it would fit in the Desoto. Quote
Ulu Posted November 7, 2014 Report Posted November 7, 2014 Good question. I used my old oil pan because it was in better shape. My 218 pan, however, is missing the windage tray. (I'd never missed it before, so I didn't worry about it being gone.) Quote
48ply1stcar Posted November 11, 2014 Author Report Posted November 11, 2014 JUST IN TIME Only 4 days later - Quote
Don Coatney Posted November 11, 2014 Report Posted November 11, 2014 Ulu, on 07 Nov 2014 - 4:09 PM, said: Good question. I used my old oil pan because it was in better shape. My 218 pan, however, is missing the windage tray. (I'd never missed it before, so I didn't worry about it being gone.) I had to modify my Desoto engine oil pan for steering clearance when I installed the engine in my P-15 Quote
Dodgeb4ya Posted November 11, 2014 Report Posted November 11, 2014 The fan pulley looks big like for a 1953 or 54 Plymouth Dodge engine. Quote
48ply1stcar Posted November 11, 2014 Author Report Posted November 11, 2014 The fan pully is from a 53 Plymouth engine. The block is the only thing I used from the 56 230. Everthing else was taken from my 53 218 and transfered to the 230 block. Other than eating 3 quarts of oil in the last 20 miles I drove my car it always started and ran smooth. So I will be disappointed if I don't get the same result when I start it up in a couple of weeks. Also I kept the car 6 volt positive ground. Quote
TodFitch Posted November 11, 2014 Report Posted November 11, 2014 The fan pully is from a 53 Plymouth engine. The block is the only thing I used from the 56 230. Everthing else was taken from my 53 218 and transfered to the 230 block. Other than eating 3 quarts of oil in the last 20 miles I drove my car it always started and ran smooth. So I will be disappointed if I don't get the same result when I start it up in a couple of weeks. Also I kept the car 6 volt positive ground. Seems to be that you might be disappointed if you get the same result of using 3 quarts in 20 miles. . . Quote
Ulu Posted November 12, 2014 Report Posted November 12, 2014 I had to modify my Desoto engine oil pan for steering clearance when I installed the engine in my P-15 That's because it's the longer block, right? That's not a 230cid. Quote
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