Oil related parts

[ggdad1951]

Ok, so I've got my oil filter housing all cleaned up and powder coated, so pretty....but....

#1 I need to get some of those brass 90° fittings as one broke off in the engine block and another has a small crack in it.

#2 do I need to replace the seal in the cap of the filter housing to something that isn't about as hard as it can be and still not break and crack

I didn't see those parts on Roberts, VPW, or Bernbaum....any sources?

thanks!

[JBNeal]

Those brass fittings are available at NAPA or a good hardware store. One end is NPT, the other is a flare fitting; bring in (what's left of) your old one & they can match it up.

The seal in the top of the cap can be replaced with a copper washer (not brass). This can also be found at NAPA or a good hardware store. I recall using a leftover copper washer that was used on a Farmall M rebuild.

[TodFitch]

The brass fitting should be available at your local "better auto supply store". The one with older people and paper catalogs behind the counter.

The gasket should come in the kit with the new insert cartridge. Also available at your local "better auto supply store".

[ggdad1951]

ok thanks guys

As for the gasket I was referring to the non copper one, the "rubber" one. I plan on using "old", non-cartridge filters if that makes a diff if I get one or not with the filter.

[Merle Coggins]

The cover gasket should come with the filter element, if it's from a quality supplier. Which filter element does your filter use?

Merle

[ggdad1951]

The cover gasket should come with the filter element, if it's from a quality supplier. Which filter element does your filter use?

Merle

right now I've got a filter I got from the guy I bought his remaining Dodge parts inventory off of Ebay...I got a box of random parts including a filter, didn't look in there for a gasket, but it is a NOS part. Otherwise I plan on buying several from Roberts or similar to have a "supply" for the "life" of the vehicle.

[Young Ed]

You should be able to get a filter element right at napa. My cars use a 1080. There are 3-4 different numbers depending on the housing.

[ggdad1951]

You should be able to get a filter element right at napa. My cars use a 1080. There are 3-4 different numbers depending on the housing.

is that the OLD style wound filter or the newer cartridges? Call me old school, but I plan on using hte OLD Style filter, and I don't mean the beer either!

[Merle Coggins]

I have a Deluxe filter on my truck and it uses a Napa 1011 sock type filter. It states a gasket size of 3.985" ID, 4.515" OD, and .062" thick. I couldn't find an individual P/N for it though.

Merle

[Young Ed]

is that the OLD style wound filter or the newer cartridges? Call me old school, but I plan on using hte OLD Style filter, and I don't mean the beer either!

Not sure what you mean by old style. Mine uses the same type as it would have had 50 years ago. Do you have the cloth/sock style? They have those too. Merle posted the #.

[ggdad1951]

Not sure what you mean by old style. Mine uses the same type as it would have had 50 years ago. Do you have the cloth/sock style? They have those too. Merle posted the #.

yep thats what I mean, I heard some have converted to the new canister style?

[TodFitch]

yep thats what I mean, I heard some have converted to the new canister style?

Not a matter of new or older: There were several different oil filter systems available from the factory/dealer. Excluding the sealed throw away canister, there was a housing that takes a pleated paper filter cartridge and then the "heavy duty" housing that takes the "sock" type filter cartridge. At least that is how it was on the car side and I assume the trucks were similar. Actually, I'd expect more of the trucks to be fitted with the heavy duty sock cartridge type filter than on the cars. See: http://www.ply33.com/Parts/group10#10-26-06

[Young Ed]

Some people convert to modern spin on filters with an adaptor. I personally believe its a bad idea.

[sniggle_t]

Some people convert to modern spin on filters with an adaptor. I personally believe its a bad idea.

Just curious as to why you think that? Because it isn't original, an issue with how it filters, or some other reason altogether?

A friend of mine modified the canister style filter on his Franklin to accept a spin on filter but you would never know unless he showed you.

[Young Ed]

Because a bypass filter like we have is designed to filter only part of the oil at a time but it filters it at a much finer level then a spin on. A spin on filter for a full flow system is designed to filter all the oil all the time but lets the finer particles through. So if you convert your bypass to a spin on you get the worst of both systems.

[sniggle_t]

Because a bypass filter like we have is designed to filter only part of the oil at a time but it filters it at a much finer level then a spin on. A spin on filter for a full flow system is designed to filter all the oil all the time but lets the finer particles through. So if you convert your bypass to a spin on you get the worst of both systems.

Thanks for that info. I never knew the difference in the oiling systems.

[moparmonkey]

Because a bypass filter like we have is designed to filter only part of the oil at a time but it filters it at a much finer level then a spin on. A spin on filter for a full flow system is designed to filter all the oil all the time but lets the finer particles through. So if you convert your bypass to a spin on you get the worst of both systems.

Interesting!

Is there a way to convert a bypass system to a full flow system? I know some of the Desoto blocks had a full flow system...

[MBF]

I once saw a full flow setup on a flatty 6-the filter housing was mounted right on the oil pump as a unit-the only one I've ever seen. I've been told by a friend of mine that used to work at the Texaco test lab that today's filters have finer elements and have the ability to catch smaller particles and keep them trapped. That coupled with the additives in today's oils that are designed to keep the particulate matter in suspension may work to our advantage with the new spin on filters. I like the period correct look of the old cannister type filters though. I guess its just a matter of preference. If anyone is looking for an adapter to conver to a spin on filter, Gravely tractors used a unit to convert their L models with the Gravely engine to the spin on type. They should still be available. Mike

[desoto1939]

Young Ed I do not understnad your statement that the spin lets the finer particles pass throught the filtering.

If a filter either spin on or the dropin element type and I have a volvo that does not use a spin on filter but uses the style that was used inthe older mopar engine like the canisters. The filtering element if it is set for 10 micron or 5 micron in either the spin on or the drop in the oil is passing throught the filtering element and filters the smaller particles that the element allows it to catch. The only tiome might be whenthe filter is clogged and then the bypass element inthe spin on then will let the oil pass the filtering element and just recirculate the oil.

So in either situation the oil is not filtered. Am I missing some point.

Also my Volvo is only changed every 7500 miles and uses GTX conventional oil and not a synthic oil. This is the factory recommendations. So I guess the drop in filter must be working correctly to filter the oil and provide protectiion to the car and engine.

Rich HArtung