wayfarerstranger Posted January 29, 2010 Report Posted January 29, 2010 (edited) SEVERAL months this forum was infected by a serious virus & nothing was done about it !!!! It should have been dealt with long before now but it wasn`t so just about everyone on here had to suffer through the effects of it , i know i did . I expressed my concerns to several members privately & was the reason i quit posting on here & rarely visited the site because it was no longer a fun place to visit , i am amazed & shocked it took this long to put a stop to the madness !! Now because of this on going crap we have lost this forum`s most "FAVORITE & HELPFUL SON" DON is one of the most important DUDE`S on here & has made this forum very entertaining and knowledgeable & has helped & visited more people than anyone else on here ! I know i appreciate everything he has done for me . I have not spoke or written to DON but i know he is offended and hurt by being banned because i know i am , i am from the old school & believe you should take care of those who take care of you !! throwing DON in the trash because of this virus that should have been stopped long ago is a TRAGEDY ! DON had nothing to do with this posting if u want to shoot back at Somebody shoot at me CHANCE MOORE Edited January 29, 2010 by wayfarerstranger
dezeldoc Posted January 30, 2010 Report Posted January 30, 2010 I believe it is only a week ban, he should be back hopefully!
Plymouthy Adams Posted January 30, 2010 Report Posted January 30, 2010 I am trying to secure the movie rights right now..(not funny but trying to keep my spirits up through all this)
_shel_ny Posted January 30, 2010 Report Posted January 30, 2010 (edited) The rule is 30 days. It was at least a 2-fer. Unfortunate, I like Don, but the man who owns the ball sets the rules for the game. Play nice or don't play. Not likely that you will see all banned members return to participate. EDIT: initial warnings from GTK said 30 day ban for offenders. I do see a 7 day ban was given several days ago. Edited January 30, 2010 by shel_bizzy_48
greg g Posted January 30, 2010 Report Posted January 30, 2010 Perchance the tragedy moniker is a bit strong for the situation. Unfortunate incident, perhaps.
jd52cranbrook Posted January 30, 2010 Report Posted January 30, 2010 I think it should be considered a learning experience. And for those offended to take heed. This is more than being about Don, or others. There is way to post as to not come down condescending on others. This is suppose to be a friendly site. If offends me to no end to have it happen to me. I don't think people take the time to re-read their post before submitting them. I know I don't most of the time, hence you always see mine being edited as to come out more clearly. Like it or not, bullying happened. Clicks do form. And they probably will continue in some form. If your going to argue that, then perhaps you should look in a mirror first. It's all in how you present yourself. Respect is key in my book. Integrity is right up there too. Just because someone did not do something "my way" is not grounds for thinking less of them. I can remember the grief I got for having my cam ground "different" from the general consensus. Or the for not bowing down to a "guru or person who breaths mopar" Turns out my car is pretty quick for a semi tricked out flatty. I even asked to join in the "big race". But I guess I too new, or not enough posts under my belt to be taken seriously. The number of posts one has does not equate to stripes on their arms or bars on their shoulders. Like I said, should be a learning experience. Now it all depends on what you "learn" from it.
Young Ed Posted January 30, 2010 Report Posted January 30, 2010 Not likely that you will see all banned members return to participate. The good and bad of the situation
55 Fargo Posted January 30, 2010 Report Posted January 30, 2010 The good and bad of the situation The unfortunate course of events that follow banishment of members. How long is this reprimand? Something was going to give, too bad it did come to this. There can always be a welcome back, when the suspension period is complete, as long as the affected parties want to return,and I am sure Don will be welcomed "home", when He returns......
dezeldoc Posted January 30, 2010 Report Posted January 30, 2010 In all fairness their were others that escaped unscathed that should have been on the list also, but that is GTK's turf! i myself as a moderator do not let things get this far out of control before i step in, and i have only had to ban 1 guy for a week as he was not to smart and sent me a pissed off PM for me shutting down a post. some of the guys complaining have made a pretty good chunk of change off him and really have no reason to bash him. he agrees that he kind of went overboard on the repetitive question asking but does not see where he should have been slammed for it as hard as he was. this is his first classic car and he wants to do it right, so asking questions is part of the process, remember we all had to learn at some point. i hope this group can rebound from this and get back to the things we love OLD MOPARS!!
BeBop138 Posted January 30, 2010 Report Posted January 30, 2010 Will Rogers once said "Never miss a good opportunity to keep your mouth shut". Sometimes that is so hard. Seeing this unfold I do see both sides and it`s too bad it came to this. If all this talk was at a swap meet everybody would have had there say and went home. When you write it down it sticks. See ya down the road..........Lee
Jim Yergin Posted January 30, 2010 Report Posted January 30, 2010 GTK posted yesterday in the Announcement Section: "FYI, some more got the boot tonight for a ten day cooling off period" Jim Yergin
Rodney Bullock Posted January 30, 2010 Report Posted January 30, 2010 I stay away from posting on threads that envolved some members. On one I could not understand why the threads had 90 or 100 responses to them. I did read one ot two just to see what was being said. Do you remember when you were young and on a date, the more you said the farther away from your prime directive you got. That's what I saw. I joined the forum along time ago during the old format. When I look back now I was so ignorant. I just did not know(about 6 cly Plymouths). I would ask a question then try the advice. I would then report my findings. I did this until my Little Plymouth was complete. I was so happy that I wanted to meet the guy's that made it happen, I did and was very happy. This episode I have watched from afar. Yes some fun was had by some but here now I checked back and some folks got banned. I see one is my buddy "Don" I don't know. I have met, listened and had some real good conversatons wit him. He is not unreasonable. I know alot of guy's here are patient and very reasonable. Do I think the forum is unreasonable or has changed? No, The people change however the forum stays the same. Alot of these long long threads are things that go in to many directions not pinpointing the problems. If you are not goal oriented this hobby is not for you. You plan and execute. It don't take 290 responses to do that. Ask a guy that has built 22 cars:rolleyes: I love it. It is not supposed to be a headache or cause others headaches. It is very simple.
Roadkingcoupe Posted January 30, 2010 Report Posted January 30, 2010 On other boards that lean to the technical the moderator often interjects and refers the "newbie" to a FAQ section. In other words instead of answering the same questions over and over again for each newbie the FAQ section becomes a directory of often asked basic questions. In addition when the question has been asked previously other posters simply use the "SEARCH" button and repost the already "answered" question. I like this system because the "old boys" on the forum gently nudge newbies into the "knowledge coral". The main site (not the forum) has a tremendous amount of info and answers. These should be read first BEFORE asking the same question. For example "how many bolts hold the exhaust manifold on?" or "How come I cant get the Ex manifold off?" or "I just heard a "snap" when removing the manifold?" All of these questions have a simple answer that has been posted many times.....there is a hidden bolt!!!! A simple mistake that has been answered over and over again. SO the suggestion goes like this.....Change the main page FAQ to a tab that includes a list of many often asked questions that are searchable. If a P15-D24 member is getting annoyed by simplistic questions, simply cut and paste the link to the FAQ section and repost it on the forum. The point of this exercise is to train NEW members and some older ones to use the whole site including the information off the forum. Probably time consuming but this could be a window of opportunity to keep the wisdom at the table and not PO the new members. Everything is changing around us. The acceleration of change can be discouraging. This forum has been an oasis of "the way things should be" in the "real" world. So we can keep this thing alive and have fun. I personally dont care how much money someone has (or doesnt have) I care about OLD Plymouths and the great people that have built up this site. I respect and look forward to reading Don C and his contributions. The forum would lose out if he did not return. At the same token "newbies" should show a little respect for the time and knowledge others are willing to share. SUGGESTIONS #1- respect the others on the forum. #2-never post MAD. ALWAYS wait 24 hours before posting in anger. You might be surprised at how many posts DO NOT get sent. #3- NEVER post on a forum that you are RICHER, SMARTER and a LAWYER. Three simple rules.
Jim Yergin Posted January 30, 2010 Report Posted January 30, 2010 SUGGESTIONS #1- respect the others on the forum. #2-never post MAD. ALWAYS wait 24 hours before posting in anger. You might be surprised at how many posts DO NOT get sent. #3- NEVER post on a forum that you are RICHER, SMARTER and a LAWYER. Three simple rules. As a lawyer who really enjoys posting on this forem, I am glad I only meet one of the three criteria in #3. Jim Yergin
greg g Posted January 30, 2010 Report Posted January 30, 2010 (edited) Had you not just admited it, I never would have thought that you were a lawyer. You are too nice a fellow, to be associated with, and included in that mob of rascal. My opinion of you will remain as it is until facts in evidence proves my assesment wrong. Edited January 30, 2010 by greg g
dezeldoc Posted January 30, 2010 Report Posted January 30, 2010 (edited) As a lawyer who really enjoys posting on this forem, I am glad I only meet one of the three criteria in #3.Jim Yergin And with this post Jim is now a Zen Master! congrats Jim! Edited January 30, 2010 by dezeldoc
47heaven Posted January 30, 2010 Report Posted January 30, 2010 (edited) On other boards that lean to the technical the moderator often interjects and refers the "newbie" to a FAQ section. In other words instead of answering the same questions over and over again for each newbie the FAQ section becomes a directory of often asked basic questions. In addition when the question has been asked previously other posters simply use the "SEARCH" button and repost the already "answered" question. I like this system because the "old boys" on the forum gently nudge newbies into the "knowledge coral". The main site (not the forum) has a tremendous amount of info and answers. These should be read first BEFORE asking the same question. For example "how many bolts hold the exhaust manifold on?" or "How come I cant get the Ex manifold off?" or "I just heard a "snap" when removing the manifold?" All of these questions have a simple answer that has been posted many times.....there is a hidden bolt!!!! A simple mistake that has been answered over and over again. SO the suggestion goes like this.....Change the main page FAQ to a tab that includes a list of many often asked questions that are searchable. If a P15-D24 member is getting annoyed by simplistic questions, simply cut and paste the link to the FAQ section and repost it on the forum. The point of this exercise is to train NEW members and some older ones to use the whole site including the information off the forum. Probably time consuming but this could be a window of opportunity to keep the wisdom at the table and not PO the new members. Everything is changing around us. The acceleration of change can be discouraging. This forum has been an oasis of "the way things should be" in the "real" world. So we can keep this thing alive and have fun. I personally dont care how much money someone has (or doesnt have) I care about OLD Plymouths and the great people that have built up this site. I respect and look forward to reading Don C and his contributions. The forum would lose out if he did not return. At the same token "newbies" should show a little respect for the time and knowledge others are willing to share. SUGGESTIONS #1- respect the others on the forum. #2-never post MAD. ALWAYS wait 24 hours before posting in anger. You might be surprised at how many posts DO NOT get sent. #3- NEVER post on a forum that you are RICHER, SMARTER and a LAWYER. Three simple rules. #4 -If someone posts a question that has been already asked, and it really bothers you, simply take a deep breath, turn the other cheek, refrain from posting any angry or snide remarks and move onto another thread or post. Edited January 30, 2010 by 47heaven
greg g Posted January 30, 2010 Report Posted January 30, 2010 (edited) For roadking, while I agree with and endorse your suggestions for member due dileigience and some research, prior to asking questions, it probably ain't gonna happen. Seems today's expectations demands instant access, instant inquires, and instant answers. That segment wants their stuff boiled down to text message and twitter sized bites. Reading seems to be a lost skill, and understanding what is written seems to a lost art also. Instead of asking for assistance, there is a demand for it. Also if the answer doesn't meet a preconcieved notion, it is discredited, or challanged instead of discussed. As I have stated before, a question on an open forum may be of interest to more than the person asking, and I try to make my answer meet the general need rather than that of the just the person asking. This manifests itself in phrases like "why do you answer MY question" or "why are you posting to MY thread"? Once you publish (root word Public) a question here it is common property, and hopefully the answer will be of benefit to the community as well as the questioner. That subtilty seems to be beyond the grasp of some participants. The other thing seems to be that when an answer contains further questions, this is regarded as a challange to the original poster rather than an enquiry seeking better understanding of the issue or an attempt to plumb the understanding of the concepts, principles, and mechanical issues involved. That there is also some button pushing, hopefully to elicit a "DDDOOOOHHH!!!" moment in an attempt to turn on a light, should be an understood part of the give and take. But if we get all Yankees v Red Sox all the time nothing will get addressed, However a bit of push and shove and give and take makes an interesting exchange. And if you can't take, without offense, an occasional knuckles to the shoulder, elbow to the ribs, or slap to the back of the head, you're probably in the wrong game. In a community of hands on, DIY, shade tree folks, the "checkbook restorer" could be the odd man out, or a welcome addition dependent of a miriad of things. A reaasonable amount of accomodation to all the possibilities is going to be good for the group. But each journey is made up of smooth roads and rough patches along the way, hopefully this bunch of pot holes and washboard will be in the rear view mirror shortly. Three wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts do. Edited January 30, 2010 by greg g
_shel_ny Posted January 30, 2010 Report Posted January 30, 2010 Simple use of the "ignore" option is still a valuable tool. As Greg stated, all threads are "public" once posted. Use ignore and read only what you want to read:) Works for me:D
dezeldoc Posted January 30, 2010 Report Posted January 30, 2010 Simple use of the "ignore" option is still a valuable tool.As Greg stated, all threads are "public" once posted. Use ignore and read only what you want to read:) Works for me:D to a point it does, but their is gonna be something that you may miss on the post. if you have a problem with someone pm them and let them know try and work it out, it's the manly thing to do.
Jim Yergin Posted January 31, 2010 Report Posted January 31, 2010 Had you not just admited it, I never would have thought that you were a lawyer. You are too nice a fellow, to be associated with, and included in that mob of rascal. My opinion of you will remain as it is until facts in evidence proves my assesment wrong. Thanks Greg, I think. And with this post Jim is now a Zen Master! congrats Jim! dezeldoc, I guess that is proof that I enjoy posting. Jim Yergin
Johnny 5 Posted January 31, 2010 Report Posted January 31, 2010 #4 -If someone posts a question that has been already asked, and it really bothers you, simply take a deep breath, turn the other cheek, refrain from posting any angry or snide remarks and move onto another thread or post. I don't get that. I love sharing knowledge. If someone asks a question I'll be happy to answer it if I can. Sometimes people don't like what they hear or care to take good advice but my opinions are based on experience, not wikiworld data. I'm just trying to help. And hey, if I don't know something, guess what, I ask a question myself.......
mackster Posted January 31, 2010 Report Posted January 31, 2010 Reading seems to be a lost skill, and understanding what is written seems to a lost art also. Instead of asking for assistance, there is a demand for it. Also if the answer doesn't meet a preconcieved notion, it is discredited, or challanged instead of discussed. The other thing seems to be that when an answer contains further questions, this is regarded as a challange to the original poster rather than an enquiry seeking better understanding of the issue or an attempt to plumb the understanding of the concepts, principles, and mechanical issues involved. In a community of hands on, DIY, shade tree folks, the "checkbook restorer" could be the odd man out, or a welcome addition dependent of a miriad of things. A reaasonable amount of accomodation to all the possibilities is going to be good for the group. Three wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts do. I personally agree with this parts sooo much! I think that is the problem. glad it was taken out (at least for a while) and im sorry Don had to be swept on this....I think he deserves better.
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