How do you make this oil filter fit?

[Dan Babb]

Did all the searches and got the Napa 1011 part number. So, please tell me in detail how you guys make this thing fit.

It doesn't even look close.

The gasket that came with it isn't close either...much larger than the one that's on the lid now.

I haven't tried to force this thing in there yet because I really don't know what to do to get it in there.

I've read "roll / squeeze" in some posts...and I'm not a total dumb *** when it comes to cars....but what does that mean?

[oldmopar]

They do come in different sizes the napa 1002 is about 1/4" shorter and not as wide then the 1011 I searched napa for sock filters.

Also the non sock type drop in filters come in different sizes

http://www.napaonline.com/NOLPPSE/(S(lmh4a3fuqi2nry45315eihrx))/Detail.aspx?R=FIL1002_0006473344

Edited October 28, 2009 by oldmopar

[Dan Babb]

I just compared those two...the 1002 is about .2" shorter, but is about .2" wider, so I don't think that will work.

This is one of those times when a video would really help.

[Merle Coggins]

I lay mine down on a clean bench surface and roll it like a rolling pin. Also, sometimes it helps to grease or oil up the outer surface to help it slide into the canister. They are a tight fit when they go in.

Merle

[greg g]

From here it doesn't look like the right element. Maybe Graybeard will chime in here and be able to shed some light as I believe he told me he has a slck type filter on his truck.

Also Mc Master Carr has (or had) several in their catalog.

[4852dodge]

Roll the filter on a clean bench top and it should fit. It will still have to be pushed in.

[MBF]

Yup-its a snug fit to say the least. Wait until you have to pull the old one out! If the cover gasket that comes with the filter is the correct one, the filter should fit, but its gonna be tight. Mike

[Jim Shepard]

That looks like the setup I have and the Napa 1011 is what I use. It is a tight fit, but it does go on. Wire goes up so you can pull it out at the next oil change.

[Dan Babb]

I've rolled it, squeezed it, oiled it well, pushed it in using a squeezing & screwing motion, I even beat on it with a rubber mallot....it's not going in any further.

This is one of those cruel - make the new guy on the forum go nuts - jokes, right?

I went outside to try again...no luck. So I took it out (what a bitch that was)...and took some measurements. The "can" would accept a filter with a flat bottom that's about 5 1/2" tall. The 1011 filter with it rolled a bit so I could squeeze it in is 6 1/2"...when I rolled it, it got longer....so that's why it's not going in any further. The old filter I took out is just a hair over 5" tall. No part number listed on the old filter and it fits like it should.

What next?

Edited October 29, 2009 by Dan Babb

[grey beard]

Dan,

If you can get the numbers off of the filter canister lid for us, I can compare them to mine, which takes the filter you are trying to install. From looking at your old filter in the picture, I believe it is possible that you have a filter made for a different size element. If this is so, you will never get the thing crammed in.

My 1011 fits in snugly, but a hammer handle in one hand will push it home - no extra special fuss. If you read over on the (gulp) car side, you will see that Greg has posted a sequene of filter info. There are a bewildering assortment of third party filters used on these things, since they did not come from the factory equipped with very many, and most were dealer installed. As a conseuence of this, the same bewildering assortment of elements is necessary to service all of them.

Please know that each of us has suffered through finding the correct element for our own beasties. Mine takes the 1011, but had a small metal can filter with no spring just rattling around inside when I first got it - did no good at all.

Let us know the lid numbers.

Good Luck

[Dan Babb]

After reading the other thread about the wix/napa filter problem where they were the right part number but wrong size...here's the thread for reference: http://www.t137.com/archives/wwwboard298/messages/2980312.html

....I called Napa to explain the issue. They weren't very helpful. I called the warehouse store where the filter I got came from (probably a 20 min drive), and asked if they had any others in stock. They didn't and to order one, I had to come in to pay first. Asked if I could pay over the phone...nope. So even though their part isn't the right size, no help. I'd have to drive to the store to pay for the part and then drive there again in a few days to see if it's the right one.

So I called O'Reilly. They ordered the Wix filter and had it there in one day. No prepay or anything. The one I got is the older style Wix part 51011 and looks exactly like the one I took out of the car. Must have gotten lucky.

They found 2 more at a store in Georgia and are having them shipped here ( I figured it would be easier to have them on hand for the next oil change). If they are the right size, I'll just pay when they get to the store.

Napa - lost my business for good.

O'Reilly has a new customer.

[JoelOkie]

Glad you were able to find the right part after all. I guess it's all where you are at and what people you are dealing with in the parts houses. O'Reilly's are good to locate and get parts in fast. I have one 8 miles from here, and a NAPA 12 miles in the other direction, and the gripe I have with O'Reilly here is that they hire kids (both boys and girls), most of whom are wiz on the computers, but don't know their butt from a fender washer if you are trying to get something they don't have the number right in front of them for. On the other hand, the NAPA, which is ran by the ever typical old codger that on first appearence doesn't seem to care if you even come into his store, knows every item in his shelves, and can walk straight to it, and usually already knows what will work for what you need. If you need a brake line at O'Reillys you buy what they have made up hanging on the rack and make it work, even though it's longer, or different than what you might have wanted......the old guy at NAPA will make you one for whatever size, length, and fittings you want on it. The very best thing about the old guy at NAPA is that he knows what for, and where to look in dealing with 50-60 year old vehicles, even when he doesn't have a number to start with. Joel

Edited November 1, 2009 by JoelOkie
spelling

[oldmopar]

Parts stores are like restaurants its the cook or the parts man that makes the difference.

[B2B Ed Higbee]

Dan I read your post because I was dealing with the same issues. My old filter is just like your old one and not only does it fit right the top metal piece fits better on the shaft. I just bought a Napa 1011 filter and it isn't worth the trouble trying to jam that thing down in there. I wish I could get a filter like came out of it. What brand have you been using and also what weight oil? Detergent or non detergent? Thanks B2B Ed

[NiftyFifty]

I'm still waiting for someone to come up with a solution to make a spin on regular filter work....maybe I'll get lucky with my industrial set up this spring

[Dan Babb]

Sorry, but I can't help.

I was able to find one of the WIX filters before they changed the manufacturing process, so it fit. I knew I had an engine swap planned, so I wasn't worried about the future.

My solution was to pull the engine and try to make a 354 Hemi fit. Still working on it, but at least I don't have to try to hunt down the damn oil filter.

[ggdad1951]

sounds like I should stock up on filters if I find ones that work!

Edited April 6, 2011 by ggdad1951

[MBF]

Gravely tractors used an adapter that converted the old style sealed filters (used on the L models with the Gravely engine) to a spin on filter. It is a cast piece with mounting flanges, and fittings for a feed, and return line. I would imagine that this could be mounted on the driver's side of the head, and plumbed with rubber or copper lines. See if there are any old Gravely dealers in your neck of the woods. Mike

[Don Coatney]

Follow this link for an adaptor.

http://www.chircoestore.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=522

[NiftyFifty]

Follow this link for an adaptor.

http://www.chircoestore.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=522

Have you used this VW adapter? The lines are pretty thin on the flatheads and seem like they would need a better flow....I mean you would be cutting it down from 1/2" to 3/16's with a kit like that

[MBF]

It's a bypass filter so I wouldn't think it would make that much difference. Most flatties ran w/o any filtration for years. Something is better than nothing. The one that Gravely used is very similar to the CPR115179. It's a cast aluminum piece, I don't think it cost more than $10 or 12. Mike

[Don Coatney]

Have you used this VW adapter? The lines are pretty thin on the flatheads and seem like they would need a better flow....I mean you would be cutting it down from 1/2" to 3/16's with a kit like that

I do have one of these adapters but I have not used it. I am not sure I understand your questions. This adapter DOES NOT convert your filtering system to full flow. Although this adapter is designed for a full flow oil filter system it can be used in a by-pass system. Simply retain the small lines using bushings and plumb it the same as the original by-pass filter. The filter media available for these spin on adapters may not filter the small particulate that the filter media designed for a by-pass filter would catch but it is still better than nothing.

[Dave72dt]

I think he means the flow throughthe 1/2' lines would be much better than through the 3/16" especially on a low pressure system.

[ssdodge51]

I used a spin on on mine worked fine until I changed it out to a V-8.

Here is the link:

http://www430.pair.com/p15d24/mopar_forum/showthread.php?t=20492

I posted some photos of the installation.

[Scruffy49]

I'm going to switch mine to a spin-on the easy way. You can get a remote filter kit at any aftermarket Harley shop for around $50. Just get the one that takes a PH8A or equivalent. Swap your block fittings for barbed brass, kit comes with mounting plate, high temp hose, all required line clamps and sometimes with a filter.

The canister looks cool, but I've found Napa and CarQuest get less helpful every time I go in there. Too many car guys have retired and been replaced with I.T. geeks that have no clue the paper catalogs exist, let alone know how to use them. It's a shame too, the kids (listen to me, I haven't even hit 40 yet...) have no idea the world they are missing out on.