49 ply special deluxe club coupe transmission

[Jokerz49]

Hello all, anyone know what Trans is in these cars? And also which p model is the club coupe? Just so when I'm searching for parts I know which to ask for. As the last rear window I purchased was wrong one.

 Thanks

[Booger]

Thats a P18 w/ 3 sp

[Jokerz49]

On 6/12/2023 at 7:57 AM, Booger said:

Thats a P18 w/ 3 sp

Thanks booger. Any idea what 3 speed? Or were they basically all the same for bolting back then? In other words if I went with a ford flat 6 rather than a plymouth would it still mount?

[greg g]

Ford Not likely (different gear selecting linkage) but any Plymouth three speed from 46 through 56 should be a bolt in.  Dodge from the same period should work also but you would probably need to use a Plymouth input shaft as dodge was longer due to being paired to fluid drive assembly. 

 

I have a 46 ply outh trans in my garage but your a bit to far away.

[Jokerz49]

5 minutes ago, greg g said:

 

I have a 46 ply outh trans in my garage but your a bit to far away.

I have the trans in the car. I'm wondering if any other flathead 6 engine would mount to the trans. I found a place I cab get a ford flathead that supposedly runs nearby. And only plymouth/chrysler flathead I find nearby are stuck or just core.

[Doug&Deb]

What is the condition of your engine? They aren’t hard to rebuild.

[Jokerz49]

Sorry all in my mind I posted at beginning I was looking for the engine. But as I reread my posts it sounds like im looking for a trans. 

 I have the 3 spd trans. Was wondering what kind of trans it was as in Muncie etc so I could look for an engine that would mount to it as my car was missing the engine when I bought it. But has everything trans and back.

 Hopefully this clears things up. My brain sometimes doesn't work correctly due to an injury.

[Los_Control]

Just my opinion, I have watched & read instructions for modifying & adapting different transmissions to engines. It takes some work & thinking.

Adapting a T-10 5spd to a engine for example. Has been done a million times ..... it is a considerable amount of effort.

 

I would be looking for a engine/transmission combo to do the swap ..... save a lot of headaches. The swap will provide plenty of headaches without adding to them.

 

Or just keep searching for the correct engine for your car, they are out there.

 

 

[Jokerz49]

7 minutes ago, Los_Control said:

 

 

 

I want to stay with this trans as I like the 3 on the tree setup. 

 When I first started this build I was thinking of swapping in a 350 and trans as I had them sitting around. Then the car got put into storage for 18 years lol. Now after my tbi I have plenty of time to work on it and was thinking a 5.4l as I have a 04 navigator just sitting around. after looking at it again last weekend realized it still had the trans in it. Guess my tbi took more memories than I realized. So now I'm gonna try to go somewhat original. Flathead with the 3 speed. Change over to disc brakes and convert to 12 volt if possible. 

[Booger]

thats a pretty ambitious project for the best of grease monkeys. Theres engines out there. the usual search platforms for mopar flatheads. (my recommendation)

or "soup it up" like us oldtimers usta say

[Los_Control]

Problem with doing the Ford flat 6 to the mopar trans, .... I wonder if it has ever been done before? ..... I doubt you will find any help on the steps needed.

 

You will want the Ford bell housing, pressure plate that bolts to the Ford flywheel ..... the clutch may be a different diameter & spline count. You will have to figure it out.

You probably will not be able to bolt the mopar transmission to the ford bell housing ...... you might be able to re-drill the bell housing to fit.

There will be a circle locating the transmission to center it on the bell housing .... you may need to machine this to fit the mopar to Ford.

The front shaft needs to be a certain length to be inserted into the pilot shaft bushing on the crank .... If it is too short your screwed.

If too long you can cut it ...... The bushing has a inside & outside measurement you will need to figure out what you need.

The throw out bearing will also be a challenge .......

 

Just saying, if you have to ask you probably do not want to take on the challenge of mating a mopar trans to a ford.

 

The Fords used some strange bell housings in their day, 48-52 they were more normal .... earlier models the oil pan was 1/2 the bell housing.

What year is the motor you are looking at?

[Jokerz49]

The ford flathead is I believe a 52. 

 But if it's not an easy bolt up I'll check the salvage yard for a chrysler to rebuild. 

 Thanks for the response.

[DonaldSmith]

Be mindful that the Chrysler and DeSoto 6's were 25 inches long, not 23.   (But Canada shoehorned the 25-inch block into the Plymouths.) 

[kencombs]

Matching engine and trans is the way to go, IMHO.   Furthermore, a Mopar flat six is by far the easiest.  Transmission fitment was unique to each of the big 3 back then.  Even GM had different models for there products.  Now if you are up for lots of mods to improve HP, or go auto then the sky's the limit.   Lots of potential donors.   Just not my cup of tea right now.

 

Good cores are out there and not too expensive.   For instance I have a complete engine / trans from my project but way to far South of you to be of interest.  Lots of them should be around from projects not going the stock direction.   Don't overlook combines, forklifts, aircraft tugs and old farm trucks as potential donors.  These little workhorses were used everywhere!