Mark D Posted July 23, 2020 Report Share Posted July 23, 2020 Hey all, Picked this car up the other night and am looking for some advice on what to do next. Obviously the motor is stuck and the prior owner has tried (not sure how much) to free it. Upon further inspection of the cylinder walls I’m not sure that just freeing the motor is going to be the thing that get her running again. I’ve got a line on a p20 218 motor... is it a simple pull and replace or am I better off to hunt down a dodge 230? Doesn’t pear from the underside that this is a fluid drive, did these come with a standard three speed clutched trans? appreciate the advice. Mark D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark D Posted July 23, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 23, 2020 A few photos with some marking... wondering if this was rebuilt? Haven’t seen these on other factory assembled motors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pflaming Posted July 23, 2020 Report Share Posted July 23, 2020 How long is that engine. I’m wondering if the Dodges used the longer, 25” engine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug&Deb Posted July 23, 2020 Report Share Posted July 23, 2020 Canadian built used the 25 inch block I believe. American built used the 23 inch. In 53 I think you could get a 3 speed without fluid drive. Is fluid drive called out anywhere on the car? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andydodge Posted July 23, 2020 Report Share Posted July 23, 2020 If it was a made in the US Dodge then it should have a 23" long engine.........if made in Canada then it should have the 25" Chrysler Desoto engine...........measure it then use that info to determine what you have.........andyd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark D Posted July 23, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 23, 2020 I should have mentioned prior, 23” block. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark D Posted July 23, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 23, 2020 (edited) 39 minutes ago, Doug&Deb said: Canadian built used the 25 inch block I believe. American built used the 23 inch. In 53 I think you could get a 3 speed without fluid drive. Is fluid drive called out anywhere on the car? There’s no fluid drive nomenclature on the car, just Coronet script on the front fenders. Here’s a shot of the trans and the carb. Note the lack of solenoids on the trans and the missing kickdown wiring on the carb. Carb is stamped D6V1, reports out as correct for the year from the Carter catalog. Doesn’t appear to have been screwed around with much in the wiring, I can’t find anything missing or cut off. Edited July 23, 2020 by Mark D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithb7 Posted July 24, 2020 Report Share Posted July 24, 2020 (edited) That's not the easiest pic to ID the tranny, but I think it is indeed a 3 speed manual. Does yours kind of resemble this 1953 Plymouth 3 speed manual tranny seen below? P20 is 1950 Plymouth, correct? Likely a pretty easy swap. You should be able to locate a running engine for far less than the cost to rebuild. Depends on your long-term plans with the car I guess. Edited July 24, 2020 by keithb7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark D Posted July 24, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 24, 2020 Thanks, Next week I’ll get the car into the garage and will get some better pics after she’s on the lift . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Young Ed Posted July 25, 2020 Report Share Posted July 25, 2020 How deep is the bell housing? That's the big clue for fluid drive. The fluid drive housing is substantially deeper. I also don't think I'd give up on the original just yet. Pull the timing chain and see what's stuck. There is a lot of gunk in the one bore you pictured but nothing looks dead 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg g Posted July 25, 2020 Report Share Posted July 25, 2020 Get a 3/4 inch dowel. Tap the front and rear of the top of the piston, with a dead blow hammer. This will rock them slightly on the wrist pin. Might free up the rings enough to allow your penatrant to seep in a little more. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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