Brake Help Needed

[rb1949]

Back again with an update. After good luck, problem has returned. Only drove it once, same day shoes were cleaned, and worked fine. A few driveway tests seemed OK. After sitting, ready to cruise the beach today, only to find right front tire squealing stops. But hope that has proved a point about bad shoes and contamination returning to the surface.. New shoes are on the list now. Any suggestions on suppliers? Speak up, it may be one I'm looking at. Or better. Going to pass on re-line. The only place to dismantle the jalopy is outside, so need to put parts on faster. A parts delay, but keep your eyes and ears open for progress.

[Young Ed]

I think all you will find are relined ones. Best you can hope for as far as I know are relined ones with a core charge that will require you to send the old ones back when done. I get mine from www.brakeplace.com

 

[rb1949]

Statement indicated I was not going to send my shoes out for a reline. Didn't want the extra downtime. Hope new ones arrive tomorrow. No rain, good for my outside "shop" after work. There was no core charge. Is there anyplace that would want the old shoe? The linings are different length. Correct, that the "short shoe" goes on the backside?

[Niel Hoback]

Short shoes go in the front. But only on the rear brakes. Front brake should all be the same length.

[dale]

Bernbaums have the complete shoe and are priced about average...

[DJ194950]

2 minutes ago, dale said:

Bernbaums have the complete shoe and are priced about average...

Bonded linings new metal-no core charge.

Most likely made in china-but getting much else New is getting harder by the day. New riveted lined shoes complete -is it even possible unless maybe our old N.Y.- past forum member -ebay seller- for $200 per shoe- I'd guess per his past prices for parts!

I bought Andy B. bonded shoes for my 50 Ply. several years ago and have been fine, but never used hard regularly (only once did I lock up all 4 wheels).

I made the mistake of dumping the old riveted shoes! Duh!

DJ

[Don Coatney]

18 minutes ago, dale said:

Bernbaums have the complete shoe and are priced about average...

What is the average price?

[rb1949]

I ordered from Andy B also. $67.50 for both front axles (or rear). This jalopy, same shoe fits all.  They shipped same day. So I'll be watching that lining length is the same.

edit: Which is why I asked. I swear the front currently has a short shoe on the backside. Will find out soon enough. If same shoe fits all wheels, and the lining is equal, that disrupts Niel's statement above. If there is long & short for each wheel, then short goes on the frontside? I see no good pictures to compare.

Edited September 13, 2016 by rb1949

[Dodgeb4ya]

Generally  new/relined shoes sold today are all the same lining length for our old MoPars 1946-54.

The shorter lining  went to the rear of the car when available. I have a bulletin buried somewhere showing these shoes were to be dicontinued and replaced with same legth linings. around I think 1949.

 

On modern cars the short or what is called the primary shoe (sometimes a beige color) always goes to the front of the car... secondary shoe or the longer lining ( grey color) always goes to the rear.

I used to work at a brake shop in the very early 70's.

[rb1949]

Anxious to get the parts and see lining length now. Equal would make it easy. Since there are 2 answers regarding short shoe location. Are the dual cylinders a factor that the short shoe can be on the rear? I would highly doubt that current shoes are original.

Chrysler Pix

 

[Dodgeb4ya]

Page 30 of the 1941-48 DeSoto factory shop manual shows the correct short and long lining length positions. Short to the rear..

[rb1949]

Thanks a bunch. Feeling a bit more confident. No package yet to see what i"m getting.

[rb1949]

The jalopy does have long shoe/short shoe on the front. Closer examination, the short shoe is clearly STAMPED for location. "RF REAR" and "LF REAR". So it was important. No maker ID, and no clue when they were put on. Anyhow that helps confirm the short shoe questions for back when. Back tomorrow.

 

[rb1949]

Project update again. Package arrived, linings all same length. Put the jalopy up in the air and get to work. Tackled right front first. Those clips are handy, you could probably change shoes in 10 minutes! But spent time getting everything squeaky clean. Didn't bother painting backing plates. While apart, good time to re-pack wheel bearings. Wash hands. New shoes popped right in place, drum slid right on. Quick adjustment. Jump over to driver side and repeat procedure. Oh oh, spotted leaky upper cylinder. Drats, stop production to get a kit, local. Back at it today. Took a bit to see how the new seal slips over the piston. Then it all went together quick. Did a re-bleed, then the quick adjustment. Drop it down, anxious for the driveway test. The ol' beast brought a smile, stopping true, straight and smooth. No ride til Sat. So the report seems good, after all the hassle the shoes seem to have been the culprit of problems. Let's hope this repair stays positive for a long time. Hope this fiasco helps anyone else with brake issues. Happy Hour Cheers.

I was ready to give the old shoes away, but will check into that re-line option. Then I'll have a back up set, that fits front or rear. Sometimes we have to think.

[Niel Hoback]

I think there's a $unflower Fair car show in Laporte this weekend. Check your paper for info.

[rb1949]

Who gets a paper? ONLINE!! Late notice, but did make it over to the Fest but not with the jalopy. Hadn't road tested brakes yet.. Day started nasty which probably deterred more cars at the show. Pictures attached. Typical vendors with "stuff". Did find fresh grilled hot dogs for a buck. Got home and did cruise the beach with the jalopy, brakes seemed to be fine. Phooey on those who advocate that you MUST install DISC brakes to be SAFE. They were daily drivers back then, and still are. Adjust your driving habits.

Photo #1: '42 Mercury.original. #2: '36 Plymouth original. # 3: '35 Plymouth original

 

 

Edited April 11, 2017 by rb1949

[Niel Hoback]

I think number 2 is a 38. : 

[Seaside Pete]

Back in the day a common trick when shoes got soaked was to set light to them to dry them out. Not suggesting doing this, just saying.

 

[rb1949]

Corrections welcome on photo #2.

Guess I'm now an advocate, if the fibrous brake lining gets "soaked" (contaminated) you're SOL. Replace them and be done. Riding the brake to create heat won't help. Just don't screw up if you're in the process of installing new shoes and ruin them.

[Plymouthy Adams]

soak the other side....problem solved...

[rb1949]

NOW you tell the easy way! Still holding up. The Beach Cruiser is off to it's sunny destination today.

[soth122003]

rb1949,

I am about to make you feel better about your brake problem. I took my RV camping this weekend and 25 miles from the house the left front brake was dragging and overheating. Had the RV towed and spent the night behind Baker Tire center. The next morning, The pulled the tire and found the caliper piston had cocked and the seal was stuck half out of the caliper. Then looking at the 19.5 inch tire, found out they were made in 2004 making them over 12 years old. The brake pads on that side were fried and cracked. New pads for both sides (they come 2 sets to a box) $120. New caliper $140. 2 new tires $226 ea. = $452. Labor  222.50. Service fees and taxes came to a total of $991.72. Plus when the brake fried it took out the tire pressure monitor on that tire. This does not include the other stuff we bought for a weekend get away.

Weekend trip - over $1100.00

Roadside assistance - $0 (thank you State Farm)

RV problems and a fun camping weekend - Priceless

Just goes to show, no matter how bad you think you have it, some one got boned worse than you. LOL

Joe Lee

 

 

 

Edited September 19, 2016 by soth122003

[Don Coatney]

So how was the fishing behind the tire store?

[Niel Hoback]

Did you catch any Michelin?

[Dodgeb4ya]

Did they replace the hose to that super heated RV caliper?