lilduec Posted May 23, 2014 Report Posted May 23, 2014 Ok I know that sounds like a ridiculous question but here we go. I bought a 1951 Plymouth Suburban over the winter that a guy lost interest in and it sat in his barn. I know the past three owners of the wagon and the first owner is the one that did all the body work on it. I was told the engine was replaced so I dont know if its a 218 or 230, but doesnt really matter to me much. I will do a full write up on the project coming up since it will be running here within the next couple weeks. So onto my question, since I am getting ready to fire up the engine after it sitting for 6 years I was planning on changing the oil, filter, belt, hoses etc. But when I went to look for the oil filter...................WHERE IN THE H*** IS THIS THING????? haha. Did someone take the oil canister off and not use a filter at all? I am still learing about these little engines because I mainly know small block chevy and fords. Here a couple of pictures of the engine. Thanks for any help with this. A little teaser of the wagon as we found it after sitting there for 6 years. It used to run and drive up until then. Here's the pics of the engine and where the oil filter is.....well missing??? Quote
50desotocoupe Posted May 23, 2014 Report Posted May 23, 2014 I may be wrong, but wasn't the canister either an option or and after market add-on? I wonder if the engine you have just doesn't have either. Quote
TodFitch Posted May 23, 2014 Report Posted May 23, 2014 Oil filter was standard in 1933 but then they decided to get cheap and started only having it standard on the upscale versions. By the late 40s it seems that many cars were delivered without any filter and if you wanted one you either got one of at least three Mopar versions or installed an aftermarket filter. Quote
greg g Posted May 23, 2014 Report Posted May 23, 2014 Most we're dealer instaled options. Not uncommon owners manual shows two maint schedules fo oil changes for with and without filter. They are pretty easy to find and install. You can also buy kits for remote mounted spin ons in the after market, the engine number is stamped on a raised boss on the block near your alternator. Quote
RobertKB Posted May 23, 2014 Report Posted May 23, 2014 (edited) If you would like an oil filter canister which takes a replaceable filter, I have one. It even has a brand new NAPA 1010 filter with it. I can provide pictures if wanted. Either email or PM me if interested. Edited May 23, 2014 by RobertKB Quote
desoto1939 Posted May 23, 2014 Report Posted May 23, 2014 On the picture of your engine there are two bolts infront of the temp sender bulb that goes intothe head. There would have been a braket that would have been bolted at this point. There were two major types of oil filters. The cansiter style Fram PB1/2. These were good for approx 8K miles. You would disconnect the two lines and then replace the entire canister with a new one. Wix did make an aftermarket unit but they have discontinued these. These canisters can be found but are costly and range from 40-60 dollars according to manufacturer. Most owneres have converted to the type that has a metal housing that bolts at the same location. The metal housing then holds a drop in filter. SOme people use the Napa 1010 or the 1080 ? I think this is the other number that some use. I use a NAPA 1010 on my 39 Desoto. There are many units that can be used since as stated above these were add ons either by the dealer or by a garge. The NAP filters run arounf $8 so it is not costly to chage them out every year and $8-10 is easy on the pocket book vs 45-60. I Also have a Factory NOS MoPAr oil filter unit in my parts. I also have an Atlas canister model if you want to go back to that style. Rich HArtung Desoto1939@aol.com Quote
lilduec Posted May 23, 2014 Author Report Posted May 23, 2014 Wow! Thanks for all the information guys. Its amazing that back then that an oil filter was an OPTION! I was thining to myself "am I crazy? Where is the dang oil filter on this?" Lol. Depending on price I may just go with an aftermarket spin on type and hide it underneath the car. Still undecided though. So I guess I can just run the engine with no filter? Just freaks me out to even think about doing something like that. So weird. Quote
greg g Posted May 23, 2014 Report Posted May 23, 2014 In the 50's oil was 20 cents a quart. Changed at 2000 miles, engine rebuilds or swaps common at 40/50k miles regardless of filtered or not. If you look, you will see we're the oil pressure gauge is plumbed, along that galley you should see two other ports. That would be your feed. The return is cast into the area shared with the dipstick. And yes you can as several people already have operated your car wo filter. The system is a bypass deal with apx 30% of the flow diverted through the filter. Quote
lilduec Posted May 23, 2014 Author Report Posted May 23, 2014 Ok great! I have been doing alot of reading about other people on here swapping to a remote newer style filter, using a stock style remote, the stock setup, or not using a filter at all. Its just so odd to me not running an oil filter, but if it was designed like it then I really don't want to reinvent the wheel here. Quote
greg g Posted May 24, 2014 Report Posted May 24, 2014 It's always a good conversation itm at cruising and shows. Quote
Andydodge Posted May 24, 2014 Report Posted May 24, 2014 when I bought my "restored" 1941 Plymouth Coupe it also did not have an oil filter.....being a hotrodder I decided that it needed a Finned Beehive filter....as it not only was finned but had shiney bits I decided that it would definitely make the car go faster.........well it did look good....lol...........these are still available, am pretty sure I saw them advertised in a recent Rod & Custom magazine in a Speedway motors advert.....I had to get the braided lines made up as they weren't included but it looked pretty....and filtered the oil.......regards, andyd Quote
Robert Horne Posted May 24, 2014 Report Posted May 24, 2014 Maybe, you could install a Chevy small block oil filter unit, available on Ebay. http://www.ebay.com/itm/1955-Chevrolet-265-The-Optional-Oil-Filter-/161265024937?pt=Vintage_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item258c24ffa9&vxp=mtr 1 Quote
greg g Posted May 24, 2014 Report Posted May 24, 2014 Back about 5 or 6 years ago there was a forum participent doing a restoration of a P 15 coupe. He was adimant that he needed OEM parts. He wanted to source OEM oil filter. Insisted the had to be one. At the time of the discussion I was attending a national Plymouth Owners meet in Maryland. There were about 27 flathead 6powered cars at the meet I documented inphotos 22 different oil filter set up.from no oil filter through fram.ac.purolater,wix stc. And a rainbow of different colors. So unless you are going for a full nutz national show winner, do whar ever makes you happy. Quote
knuckleharley Posted May 24, 2014 Report Posted May 24, 2014 Wow! Thanks for all the information guys. Its amazing that back then that an oil filter was an OPTION! I was thining to myself "am I crazy? Where is the dang oil filter on this?" Lol. Depending on price I may just go with an aftermarket spin on type and hide it underneath the car. Still undecided though. So I guess I can just run the engine with no filter? Just freaks me out to even think about doing something like that. So weird. These old cars used non-detergent oil,and because of this trash didn't stay in suspension. Being heavier than the oil,it dropped to the bottom of the oil pan,and stayed there until you drained the oil. Which means only draining the oil when it is hot on one of these engines is a VERY good idea. Quote
knuckleharley Posted May 24, 2014 Report Posted May 24, 2014 when I bought my "restored" 1941 Plymouth Coupe it also did not have an oil filter.....being a hotrodder I decided that it needed a Finned Beehive filter....as it not only was finned but had shiney bits I decided that it would definitely make the car go faster.........well it did look good....lol...........these are still available, am pretty sure I saw them advertised in a recent Rod & Custom magazine in a Speedway motors advert.....I had to get the braided lines made up as they weren't included but it looked pretty....and filtered the oil.......regards, andyd Just out of curiosity,do they use the NAPA 1010 filter,and can you actually get the filter inside the damn canister without having to use a BFH and dozens of bad words? Quote
RobertKB Posted May 24, 2014 Report Posted May 24, 2014 (edited) NAPA 1010 fits fine. I have used the 1080 also. I did not have to use a BFH to get the filter into the canister in picture 2. Original poster has not responded in the affirmative so if anyone is interested, PM or email me. Otherwise it goes on ebay. Edited May 24, 2014 by RobertKB Quote
greg g Posted May 25, 2014 Report Posted May 25, 2014 Robert, that saysit is an oil conditioner. I thought you said filter.......... Quote
RobertKB Posted May 25, 2014 Report Posted May 25, 2014 (edited) That is a canister which the filter goes in like so many other brands. I have similar canisters with filters in them on all my Mopars. I believe it was you that took pictures of all the different types of canisters at a POC meet. Lots of different kinds although I believe you never did find a MOPAR one for the well remembered forum member/lawyer? from NYC. LOL Edited May 25, 2014 by RobertKB Quote
greg g Posted May 25, 2014 Report Posted May 25, 2014 Just commenting on the decal. If im not mistaken it says conditioner rather than filter. I recognize the aparatus. Just found it odd that it used the conditioner term. Quote
RobertKB Posted May 25, 2014 Report Posted May 25, 2014 Probably "selling terminology" to make it seems different and better. Maybe the canister, with filter inside, "conditioned" the oil by filtering out the dirt................ just like any other similar product. Quote
Robert Horne Posted June 4, 2014 Report Posted June 4, 2014 I just received an email from a friend, that stated, The 1924 Chrysler was the first production car that offered the cartridge oil filter... Quote
TodFitch Posted June 4, 2014 Report Posted June 4, 2014 Don't know if Chrysler was first or just among the first. The early ones were all Purolator ("Pure Oil Later") disposable canisters. And apparently the really unique thing on the early filters was a glass sight window where you could view the clean oil being returned to your crankcase. I haven't actually seen one of those but would like to. Quote
Tusler 49 New Yorker Posted June 7, 2014 Report Posted June 7, 2014 My advise is to hook up a modern relocated filter kit. You will save money on buying filters and they will be available wiithout having to order them. My 49 has oriiginal equipment and I can get filters for it but they are expensive and I always have to order them. 1 Quote
lilduec Posted June 26, 2014 Author Report Posted June 26, 2014 I've been running the wagon for a couple weeks now and around 300 miles so far. Just plan on running it the way it is and changing the oil. Quote
50 coupe Posted June 26, 2014 Report Posted June 26, 2014 You don't need no stinkin' oil filter........ 1 Quote
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