54Illinois Posted July 4, 2012 Report Posted July 4, 2012 It's the "patina." http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1953-Plymouth-Cambridge-Rat-Rod-Patina-Old-School-Lowered-Wide-Whites-SWEET-/110907276399?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item19d296bc6f Quote
Plymouthy Adams Posted July 4, 2012 Report Posted July 4, 2012 if you can't call Charter...call someone... notice there are no takers on that offer...asking is one thing..getting is quite another... I bought my 54 it was pretty much like this one in appearance..but at least it was still all original, two door club coupe and an automatic.. Quote
40P10touring sedan Posted July 4, 2012 Report Posted July 4, 2012 Well, the patina is there, which some folks like. That's a big thing in the R/R crowd. The engine runs well enough according to the add...new tires and the MC was redone...a decent package now at 6K with 3 bids...I highly doubt it'll hit too much closer to the buy it now price though. As with ebay, you never know what could happen! It's an odd contrast between the restorer and the ratrod builder...both rework the body to remove rust holes and replace them with new sheet metal, but that's where it stops. The restorer smoothes it all out and repaints the car while the R/R leaves the scars as badges of honor. Clear copating the rust seems to be a new trend...see it but try not to let it get any worse. Lower the car in question and your now into "custom" or "ratrod" territory...leave the body unpainted/untouched{sans repair pieces or a chop} and your leaning towards ratrod...suede it and your still between worlds. I guess it's all in the eye of the builder or beholder... One has to lend alittle respect, from what I've seen, to the ratrod guys...they do like to keep period correct gauges....interiors and engines - that's another story though. Hey, nearly anything done to keep the old girls on the road is a good thing in my eyes...mind you, some folks do things to cars that others find questionable...some are pretty cool and one off while others can be viewed as fugly....your car - your call. Anyone spy the 65 new yorker in their list of cars for sale? Quote
Plymouthy Adams Posted July 4, 2012 Report Posted July 4, 2012 while you may have bids...you not always have a sell..call it buyers remorse..but I call it shrill...in my opinion there is no way that car is worth that money in that condition..a top line 54 two door stock will only get a max of 12,500 and that my friend is only the insurable value..mostly a bit higher than retail.. Quote
greg g Posted July 4, 2012 Report Posted July 4, 2012 Looks like they have the ground reversed. Problably run a bit better with it corrected. Quote
40P10touring sedan Posted July 4, 2012 Report Posted July 4, 2012 while you may have bids...you not always have a sell..call it buyers remorse..but I call it shrill...in my opinion there is no way that car is worth that money in that condition..a top line 54 two door stock will only get a max of 12,500 and that my friend is only the insurable value..mostly a bit higher than retail.. Worth is always in the eye of the buyer/beholder...not the seller....and good patina costs...not saying that example is the top ten of patina ratings or anything, but there are those who might...not you or I, but someone....it's funny almost- some folks would drool over a clean stock car while others would do the same for something solid with great patina, different strokes for different folks I guess- Quote
Plymouthy Adams Posted July 4, 2012 Report Posted July 4, 2012 keep the patina...I tell you what..when I get ready to do the body on the bz cp..will save the patina for you and ship it to you via USPS for a goodly sum... here is what I think of patina.. Quote
Richard Coney Posted July 4, 2012 Report Posted July 4, 2012 Beauty is the eye of the beholder, they say and I can certainly understand the appeal of some of these cars with excessive patina, but would you actually want one? I confess that while I enjoy looking at certain weathered (surface rust) cars, I honestly don't think I could own one without wanting to get it repainted. My '39 coupe has patina that probably dates from a respray in the 1960s, with its fine web of crazed paint. I'm sure it's not the original paint. Some think of this as a 'badge of honour', evidence of a long and fruitful service. I think of it as 'worn out' and something I would dearly love to replace if I could justify the expense. Nevertheless, whilst the car is probably worth quite a reasonable sum compared to what I paid for her, and could perhaps command a premium because of the appeal of its subtle patina amongst those in the hobby who would appreciate it, a decent respray would probably price it out of its limited potential resale market here in the UK. If I spent £6K on a decent bare metal respray I would be most unlikely in the current economic climate to recoupe that financial outlay. Nevertheless, there's a post-war shoebox Ford surfer-style woody over here with a finish similar to the eBay cambridge that I would dearly love to add to the collection, and a respray would most definitely be on the cards! Quote
Richard Coney Posted July 4, 2012 Report Posted July 4, 2012 I just remembered I had a picture or two of the woody. Also, check out the '57 Pontiac ambulance. This car seems to be doing the rounds over here, never particularly expensive, but also rarely held onto for too long. I suspect that the novelty of the three seat front bench and single 'attendant' chair in the back wears off pretty quickly. Now the Dodge pickup seen at the same show was really nice! More pictures of the old girl available if you want. Quote
40P10touring sedan Posted July 4, 2012 Report Posted July 4, 2012 keep the patina...I tell you what..when I get ready to do the body on the bz cp..will save the patina for you and ship it to you via USPS for a goodly sum...here is what I think of patina.. ..now how are you gonna get all that patina out of the grass! Quote
40P10touring sedan Posted July 4, 2012 Report Posted July 4, 2012 I agree that patina'd cars are interesting in some sorts, but I'd be the 1st one to say it'd be a rare car that I'd leave the way it sat. There have been a few that I've seen in mags{probably why} that have a really neat patina pattern...the rest....hmmmm.... Quote
Jerry Roberts Posted July 5, 2012 Report Posted July 5, 2012 Looks like they have the ground reversed. Problably run a bit better with it corrected. Greg , Why is that ? How about a 1952 Chevy , would that run a little bit better with positive ground too , even though it is designed for 6 volt negative ground ? Just asking . Quote
knighthawk Posted July 5, 2012 Report Posted July 5, 2012 Tim, I like your repaint, but would you really repaint the woody the Richard Coney has shown ??? Quote
T120 Posted July 5, 2012 Report Posted July 5, 2012 Here's one - the owner is having great fun, has put a lot of miles on it - No,... not Chris Quote
53_Suburban Posted July 5, 2012 Report Posted July 5, 2012 (edited) Three people bid actually bid up to $6000 and the reserve hasn't been met yet? My God, I guess my old Suburban must be worth twice that. Oh well, maybe not, it has paint and a nice interior, and Langdon headers and only 2 doors. Guess it's not worth anything then. ... I had some "patina" on my passenger side floor pan after the grommet in the heat control valve went south. Here's how I dealt with it: Edited July 5, 2012 by 53_Suburban Quote
BobT-47P15 Posted July 5, 2012 Report Posted July 5, 2012 Here's a P15 seen at a car show in Belgium.....lots of patina. Quote
T120 Posted July 5, 2012 Report Posted July 5, 2012 (edited) Maybe you're on to something there,Bob - perhaps the overseas bidders? Edited July 5, 2012 by Ralph D25cpe Quote
dezeldoc Posted July 5, 2012 Report Posted July 5, 2012 Three people bid actually bid up to $6000 and the reserve hasn't been met yet? My God, I guess my old Suburban must be worth twice that. Oh well, maybe not, it has paint and a nice interior, and Langdon headers and only 2 doors. Guess it's not worth anything then. ... I had some "patina" on my passenger side floor pan after the grommet in the heat control valve went south. Here's how I dealt with it: I was thinking the same thing! 6g's and it is a more door to boot, the guy is hit'n the crack pipe to much!! Quote
Plymouthy Adams Posted July 5, 2012 Report Posted July 5, 2012 Tim, I like your repaint, but would you really repaint the woody the Richard Coney has shown ??? yes Larry I would... Quote
Richard Coney Posted July 5, 2012 Report Posted July 5, 2012 Way to go Tim! Any way you look at it, rust is slow death to a car. (Sometimes not so slow). And now for something slightly different. Quote
Plymouthy Adams Posted July 5, 2012 Report Posted July 5, 2012 trade you my '58 early production single headlight Dodge truck for that panel...(yeah..I'm ripping you off...lol) I have a panel truck..brand F, yes took it in on trade for some work I did..one of three big mistakes I have made in my life, that I will admit too that is... Quote
Robert Horne Posted July 5, 2012 Report Posted July 5, 2012 "Patina", must be the new term for "rust bucket". When I lived in Ohio, new cars had very much Patina in a just a few years. Quote
Plymouthy Adams Posted July 5, 2012 Report Posted July 5, 2012 rat rods..the liberal art side of of collector car hobby..what to do when you have no skills...kinda like taking a failed clay pot project and pressing two dents in it and calling it an ashtray..its creative..but unrefined Quote
RobertKB Posted July 5, 2012 Report Posted July 5, 2012 (edited) I am with Tim on this. Rust is the death of cars and that Ford Wagon is starting to look like the surface rust will soon be pokey-your-finger-through-rust in the not too distant future. My latest project, a 1951 Dodge business coupe, has lots of patina which will eventually disappear under a nice Sea Mist Green, the colour on the driver's front fender which is actually a replacement and much faded. Patina to a certain point is OK. However, there comes a point where restoration/partial restoration needs to take over depending on the condition of the rest of the car. My car, the '53 Plymouth rat, and the Ford Wagon have reached that point in my opinion. Edited July 5, 2012 by RobertKB Quote
mrwrstory Posted July 5, 2012 Report Posted July 5, 2012 Here's my contribution to patina. It currently sits under a cover in my driveway. On the one end, I am collecting parts. On the other, I am imagineering the project that I hope to start within the year and after hopefully selling one of my cars. I'm thinking satin clear over the paint you see. Quote
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