Clutch pedal

[DollyDodge]

I have searched the threads for this topic, but really didn't see a good fix. My clutch pedal onthe B-2-C has about a 1.5 inch side to side movement. Any good fixes that someone can give.

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[48Dodger]

I remember a thread awhile back on this subject. Try searching transmissions and see what comes up. Just thinking out loud.

48D

[Jim Gaspard]

You either have a worn shaft or worn bushings in the clutch and brake pedals. I had my B3B fluid drive transmission out of the truck so I replaced both the shaft and pedal bushings while I had more elbow room. As noted in this thread:

http://http://www430.pair.com/p15d24/mopar_forum/showthread.php?t=7436&highlight=brake+clutch+pedal+bushings

But, if you have to work on it in the truck, access will be a problem. There are numerous threads on repairing the pedal slop, both while in the truck and outside the truck.. Go to the search function above and type in clutch brake pedal Good luck!

[Dennis_MN]

My clutch petal was dragging on the metal floor board every time I double Clutched and made the most God Awlful noise. I bought a piece of teflon plasitc and screwed it on to the floorboard, pushing the petal into place. Now it just rubs against the plastic and is slient.

Dennis

Ps, this is known as fixing the symptom and not the problem

[48Dodger]

Greybeard's fix for the clutch pedal. Same story different threads.

http://www430.pair.com/p15d24/mopar_forum/showthread.php?t=10124&highlight=transmission+pedals

http://www430.pair.com/p15d24/mopar_forum/showthread.php?t=9294&highlight=transmission+pedals

48D

[DollyDodge]

thanks for the input. My brake pedal doens't have any slop to speak of at all, it is just the clutch pedal. I haven't taken it off yet to see where the wear is. Anyway, thanks again for the input. The ear solution looks good, but very involved.

[grey beard]

Your clutch pedal never had a bushing in it or a grease zerk. The brake pedal does have a zerk that most people never lube. The clutch pedal turns with the shaft, and is pinned into position by the small adjuster with two set screws and jamb nuts, which is woodruff-keyed to the clutch cross shaft outboard of the pedal, on the shaft end.

You can't pin the pedal to the ehaft, cause it must move to give pedal adjustment. The pedal wears because it weighs nearly forty pounds - cast steel or iron and very heavy, and wobbles around from its oww weight. We all have this problem - wobbly clutch pedal. My son has five B model larger Dodge trucks and every one has had the floo board torched out to get rid of the noise from the pedal scraping.

The only fix I was able to concieve was to remove the pedal, cut a slot in the shaft eye and weld two ears to the opening, making a clamp. These two ears were drilled and tapped for a 3/8-inch bolt, so that it could draw the two ends of the slot together. After I installed this modified pedal, I adusted my clutch free play, and then tightened down the clamp I made on the pedal where it rides the shaft. Now my pedal is rock solid - no more wobble, and it is still adjustable, just like it was when new. Short of finding a new pedal and a new clutch cross shaft, I know of no other fix for this problem.

If they were honest, more guys on htis forum would admit to the problem, too. Makiing the floor hloe bigger, and putting junk around the hole sounds to me like a lame fix - a cheap shot at best. My pedal is solid, and the original draft seal on the bottom still seals up the hole nicely.

Good Luck

[tom'sB2B]

I'm having the same problem. It sounds like nails on a chalkboard everytime I push the clutch in. I was thinking about buying a couple of draft covers from Robert's. Do you think that will help?

[DollyDodge]

I think the draft seals would only work for a little while, and the only thing they would do is cut the noise for a while. Grey beard I am confused about how you keep the pedal adjustment if you clamp the ears down? I took my clutch pedal off yesterday and the wear is on the upper left and lower right side of the hole, it is kind of egg shaped. Makes sense since that is the direction the pedal will lean from its weight, and the force direction when the pedal is applied. Would it work to have a machinist bore out the hole a little oversized and then install a sleeve or bushing? The shaft looks to have no visible wear. My brake pedal has very little wobble. I know I always greased the fitting when I was driving the truck as a kid. Do you have a picture of the pedal fix you did grey beard?

[Merle Coggins]

I would think a bushing would work. My pedal setup is a little bit different with the Fluid Drive bell housing. Both of my pedals ride on a fixed shaft and there's an adjustable link between the clutch pedal and the clutch shaft. The bushings were worn on both pedals and there was some wear on the shaft. I got some 3/4" round stock for a new shaft and found some thin 3/4" ID bronze bushings. I removed the orignial bushings, reamed the bores to fit the new bushings, and pressed the new bushings in to the pedals. My pedals are good and solid, and as long as I keep them greased they should last a good long time.

I don't see why you couldn't bush your pedal to bring it back to the proper fit.

Merle

[DollyDodge]

thanks Merle. I think I will take it down to the machine shop and see what they think. In my mind the bushing idea should work. I even thought that I could drill and tap the pedal and bushing and put a grease fitting in. I had noticed in the manual that the fluid drive pedals both had bushings. the design on the clutch pedal wasn't very good, it is only maybe 3/4 inch wide where is fits on the shaft, and that is a lot of weight on a small surface area, no wonder they wore out.

[Young Ed]

Dad had bushings installed in the pedals for his 40 ply truck. From the sounds of Daves description even though its the previous generation of truck it uses the same system as the later trucks. My own 46 pickup I thought that this same issue. Inspection turned out that the shaft end was fine but that the pedal itself was bent. Don't ask me how that happened!

[Dodgeb4ya]

Does that clutch pedal really weigh 40 lbs?

[DollyDodge]

My pedal weigh 4 or 5 pounds, but that is my pedal

[DollyDodge]

I took the clutch pedal by the machine shop, he says his fix will be to bore it out and put in a bushing. He said it should be good as new. So I will let you all know how it works out. I am kind of nervous about it. He said it would cost between $65 and $75. If it works that would be a small price for a stalbe pedal:)

[Bradley S.]

My clutch bangs on the floor board too. Cut out a little of the floor board, still bangs. The clutch just has too much travel to the rear after it disengages from the throw out bearing.

The only way to fix that, seems to me, is a mechanical stop. I saw a picture of that in one of the clutch threads.

Or screw a rubber bumper onto the floor board!!!!

Here's a project for Town Wagon; a bolt on, rear travel limiter for the clutch pedal. It would have to go behind the pedal down by the shaft. Bolt onto the trans bolts or something.

[DollyDodge]

my problem isn't the rear travel it is the side to side slope, that is what the bushing will fix.

[Merle Coggins]

Your truck is perfectly normal, Brad. The floor board IS the pedal stop. If you get the rubber draft seals onto the pedals it will quiet down the "BANG" when you release the pedals.

Merle

[Young Ed]

Ah the banging pedal. The sound brings me joy because it means I'm out driving. I have a piece of thick rubber screwed to the underside of my floor but I still get the banging. Dollydodge did you bring the shop the pedal shaft too?

[DollyDodge]

Hi Ed: I did not bring the shaft to the machine shop. I don't think I can get it out without dropping the transmission, or taking the cab off, isn't that correct? I measured the shaft and it is 3/4" and doesn't appear to have any wear. I hope this fix works ok. I too like the banging noise of the clutch pedal

[Young Ed]

As long as you measured and the shaft appears unworn I think you'd be ok. The trucks we had this done to were all torn apart for total restores so it was an option to bring both pieces.

[DollyDodge]

Ed: You have had clutch pedals bored and bushed? Did it work well? I thought about having him put a grease fitting in too, would that be a desirable thing or not? The only concern the machinest had was how he was going to clamp the pedal to bore it.

I wish I could completely break the truck down, but for now I am just working on getting it mechanically sound and driveable.

[Young Ed]

Yes my Dad had one done for his 40 plymouth pickup. As the truck STILL isn't done I can't say how well it worked. I'm thinking our generation of trucks had a fitting right in the pedal. Perhaps the 39-47 trucks aren't as similar as I thought.

[DollyDodge]

From what I can tell the Pilot houses had a fitting in the brake pedal, but not in the clutch unless it was a fluid drive system then both pedals had bushings. I am beginning to think all the trucks have thier own little quirks

[DollyDodge]

oops, I meant bushing not fitting. Also do these old restored trucks ever get done, I think no matter how good the restoration they seem to be a work in progress:D