librado65 Posted November 30, 2023 Report Share Posted November 30, 2023 So I just realized Butch cool stuff isn't around anymore. Who sells the 230 flathead conversion/swap kit motor mounts for the small block mopar engine and transmission nowadays? My 230 needs a rebuild; after considering the price of rebuilding; as well as this is the 2nd 230 I've gone through with my 50 Coronet; I'd rather just put in a v8 mopar. But I can't find any of the kits I remember seeing online many years ago to put in a 318/360 by Butchs cool stuff. I would want to stay with the 230, but being that my job has me out on the road and don't get to drive the Coronet much, I think the v8 would satisfy my needs with the little time I do get to drive it when home. Anyways, does anyone know where I can find a reputable engine swap kit like Butchs cool stuff used to sell? *The 1st 230 was the engine that came with the car but threw a rod and was no bueno anymore. The 2nd current 230 has been smoking nonstop. I asked shops for pricing on partial/complete rebuild and I'm better off going with v8 swap economically in my opinion* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sniper Posted November 30, 2023 Report Share Posted November 30, 2023 A generic small block Mopar swap kit would probably work just as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plymouthy Adams Posted November 30, 2023 Report Share Posted November 30, 2023 engine mounts are not at all that difficult to make....late model 5.2 mounts will fit the early Dakota bolt to frame receivers and with that, you just fashion the plate for these. Walk in the park... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Ritter Posted November 30, 2023 Report Share Posted November 30, 2023 Bob Drake (800-221-3673)(www.bobdrake.com) has the kits with all the hardware, some of the kits are bolt on. I know that Bob is a Ford guy but he sell a lot of aftermarket stuff and it is fairly priced. Good with your project... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sniper Posted November 30, 2023 Report Share Posted November 30, 2023 2 hours ago, Bob Ritter said: Bob Drake (800-221-3673)(www.bobdrake.com) has the kits with all the hardware, some of the kits are bolt on. I know that Bob is a Ford guy but he sell a lot of aftermarket stuff and it is fairly priced. Good with your project... I couldn't find it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Los_Control Posted November 30, 2023 Report Share Posted November 30, 2023 I'm curious what transmission @librado65 plans to use ..... The way I read it is the original transmission adapted to a 318/360? Just suggesting it is a bit more complicated then just motor mounts. .... Is there a adapter for a 318 to go to a 1950 Dodge 3spd? I have never looked for one. Sure would make it simple if there was .... Seems every engine swap I hear about they swap in a automatic trans with it. Now you have transmission mounts and drive line ..... shift linkage, throttle linkage .... wiring ..... Not saying it is difficult, just never heard of a bolt in kit. I picked this engine/trans up a couple weeks ago just because I could ..... No real plans for it yet, it could be a future transplant for my 49 Dodge truck. Just looking at a photo of it as I unloaded it and preparing it for a pressure wash before hibernation. ..... It is a 318/3 on the tree from a 1970 Dodge 1/2 ton pickup. Just for a visual reference .... I can see picking up a reman small block mopar .... think of all the parts you need to go with it. The flywheel, bell housing, clutch pressure plate throw out bearing & linkage ..... or a different transmission .... You will also need complete front dress .... what about the oil pan? This is a front sump truck pan .... what pan will your engine come with if any? Enough pictures, I'm just trying to show that a 318 V8 & a 218 straight 6 has nothing in common. Maybe they make a kit to bolt the V8 up to the 1950 transmission. Why would you want to do that? .... A 318 I also would want to change the rear end and also the obsolete u-joints on the drive line. .... naturally a different transmission goes with it. The small block mopar into these old cars has been done exactly 1.6 trillion times ..... it is not rocket science. ..... But it is a project. You state because of time restraints and the cost of rebuilding the flatty .... easier to just do a V8 swap. ..... Maybe you want to rethink that? Have you thought about just jacking it up & pull the head and pan ..... toss in a new set of rings & bearings .... look at the valves see what you can do with them. These engines have cast iron rings and never lasted long. It was common back in the day to drop these cars off at a service station in the morning, then pick it up the next morning with a new set of rings .... or a valve job. Then run them another 40k miles. Just possible you can stick $400 into what you have with new rings and a valve job ..... it may not be perfect and smoke a little bit .... but you get restored performance and driveabilty while you prepare for a future engine swap. Or the cheapest most simple way is to take it to a shop and have the engine rebuilt ... The V8 swap is cool, there is a lot more to it then just engine mounts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Ritter Posted December 1, 2023 Report Share Posted December 1, 2023 7 hours ago, Sniper said: I couldn't find it? I checked the phone number and the internet and there still working, or are we talking about the parts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sniper Posted December 1, 2023 Report Share Posted December 1, 2023 The parts you mentioned, I found the website, your link worked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Ritter Posted December 2, 2023 Report Share Posted December 2, 2023 On 11/30/2023 at 12:51 PM, Sniper said: I couldn't find it? I found all the brackets and mount in the catalog, you were right the web don't show all that's available. I would suggest ordering (40 Ford parts catalog) has a lot of neat stuff in it. By the way I enjoy reading your articles... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Riding Posted December 3, 2023 Report Share Posted December 3, 2023 On 11/30/2023 at 6:26 AM, librado65 said: So I just realized Butch cool stuff isn't around anymore. Who sells the 230 flathead conversion/swap kit motor mounts for the small block mopar engine and transmission nowadays? My 230 needs a rebuild; after considering the price of rebuilding; as well as this is the 2nd 230 I've gone through with my 50 Coronet; I'd rather just put in a v8 mopar. But I can't find any of the kits I remember seeing online many years ago to put in a 318/360 by Butchs cool stuff. I would want to stay with the 230, but being that my job has me out on the road and don't get to drive the Coronet much, I think the v8 would satisfy my needs with the little time I do get to drive it when home. Anyways, does anyone know where I can find a reputable engine swap kit like Butchs cool stuff used to sell? *The 1st 230 was the engine that came with the car but threw a rod and was no bueno anymore. The 2nd current 230 has been smoking nonstop. I asked shops for pricing on partial/complete rebuild and I'm better off going with v8 swap economically in my opinion* I have this one that I bought for my Chrysler 360 from Butch's in 2021. Sold the motor yesterday and have no use for it. PM me if you are interested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sniper Posted December 3, 2023 Report Share Posted December 3, 2023 I dug out my '17 Butch's catalog, here's the pic they had for the complete kit that should fit a 50 Dodge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave72dt Posted December 3, 2023 Report Share Posted December 3, 2023 Made these years ago. Very easy to make as well as a drop out trans crossmember. Grinder with a cutting wheel, drill and bits, welder, cardboard for templates. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sniper Posted December 3, 2023 Report Share Posted December 3, 2023 You can buy those style mounts from Transdapt, they only fit the 340/36 engines though. Which is stupid, imo. The 340/360 have narrower driver's side mounting ears on the block. the 273/318 ears are wider, you can shim the 273/318 mounts to fit the 340/360 ears, but you can't stretch the 340/360 mounts to fit the 273/318. https://www.summitracing.com/search/brand/trans-dapt-performance-products/part-type/motor-mounts-and-inserts/make/dodge/engine-family/mopar-small-block-la Now I think, lol, the early hemi universal mounts use the same type mounting ears as the 273/318 so those might work. https://goodspeedusa.com/product/universal-new-motor-mounts-for-early-hemi-mopar-kit-w-rubber-cushions-brackets/ Generic, universal (i.e. fits nothing) 273/318 engine brackets https://chassisengineeringinc.com/product/cs-4117-mopar-v8-engine-mounts-17-inch-1964-273-318/#tab-description But to be honest if I was going to fab my own kit I would use none of them. Those rubber biscuit insulators fail. I'd just get a set of later model Mopar spool mounts and fab the frame end of that. They are only available, in the aftermarket anyway, for the wider 273/318 ears, but as I said, you can shim those. You can see the shim pack on this pic of me cleaning out the air injection holes on teh 360 I stuffedinto my 87 Diplomat. https://www.oocities.org/motorcity/2398/mbody/360swap/smog.jpg 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave72dt Posted December 4, 2023 Report Share Posted December 4, 2023 (edited) The biscuit mount style I used are the same as those used in a 73 D100 that delivered farm machinery for 15 plus years and over 200k. I think they'll hold up just fine for the limited highway and cruising miles it'll see. They're still available at parts stores for less the $10. each and a few dollars of scrap steel for brackets and chassis mounts. That's how swaps were done before the internet and is still a cost effective method. Edited December 4, 2023 by Dave72dt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sniper Posted December 4, 2023 Report Share Posted December 4, 2023 1 hour ago, Dave72dt said: They're still available at parts stores for less the $10 The aftermarket mounts available today do not hold up, they come apart quickly. Who knows what shape an NOS one might be in, Mitymounts has an expensive solution for that, but by looking at what they do you can replicate it for a lot less with a couple of proper length countersunk screws, a drill and a tap. http://mitymounts.com/chrysler.htm The spool mounts I referenced hold up better and you can get poly inserts if you want. I usually just fill the voids in the rubber versions with RTV. https://www.manciniracing.com/sptybuki.html They make poly versions of the biscuit mounts too, even more expensive. https://www.manciniracing.com/newmapopomom.html Lots of ways to skin the cat here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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