lugnut123 Posted February 19, 2013 Report Posted February 19, 2013 Well I'm feedin cows right now and I'm broke so it mite be a while. I need to get back to it. oh yah some sob stole the radiator I had for it. noel in nm Quote
1952B3b23 Posted February 20, 2013 Author Report Posted February 20, 2013 Well hopefully you'll be able to get back on that soon cause that sounds like an awesome little rig. Some people truly are pathetic, dont know how to leave whats not theres alone. Quote
Looznutz Posted February 21, 2013 Report Posted February 21, 2013 Was looking through the net yesterday and has anybody considered the Mercedes 5 cylinder diesel engine? They sell kits to use a modern American 5 speed on it. I don't know if that would be a bit underpowered for a truck. I know the 4bt is the way to go but just tossing this idea out there. I'm considering this myself cause the availability and price. Quote
charliebob Posted February 21, 2013 Report Posted February 21, 2013 Was looking through the net yesterday and has anybody considered the Mercedes 5 cylinder diesel engine? They sell kits to use a modern American 5 speed on it. I don't know if that would be a bit underpowered for a truck. I know the 4bt is the way to go but just tossing this idea out there. I'm considering this myself cause the availability and price. I have a Mercedes OM617 5 cylinder turbo diesel I intend to install in a 56 Dodge. The 4bt is a torque monster but heavy, while the Benz is more car like with lower torque but will rev to 5000 rpm. If you plan on towing or heavy hauling, the 4bt seems best, but if you plan on cruising and light loads the turbo Benz should be fine. The pilot house is actually much lighter than the MB 300 car the engine came in. Quote
Looznutz Posted February 21, 2013 Report Posted February 21, 2013 I can get the whole car for a third of the price of a 4bt. Can't fathom paying 3000 for an engine plus accessories. Quote
Apittslife Posted February 21, 2013 Report Posted February 21, 2013 From what little I have read, The Mercedes Engine's HP rating is all you are going to get out of it. Is that bad? No, but I am a tinkerer so I personally won't be happy with it. For low cost, The 7.3 Ford/International V-8 diesel is also a possibility, as I can get a running engine for $1000.00 on average. But it is huge! As such, I am going with the Cummins as there is more Power to be had from both the 4 & 6 Cylinder's, Should I want it, & I most likely will. Also for me, I am set on building mine with parts that Chrysler either made or used, for ease of future repairs. Quote
Looznutz Posted February 21, 2013 Report Posted February 21, 2013 Oh no don't get me wrong. I would love to have a 4bt in my truck if I could spare the money. That is the way to go. But i figure I will not pull a 10,000 pound trailer. Just medium loads I figured and besides it is just an idea at the moment. Quote
lugnut123 Posted February 21, 2013 Report Posted February 21, 2013 (edited) They make a 4 cylinder Duetz diesel too. You woodn't have to worry about a radiator and you can run the moter oil threw the heater to keep yer backside warm. I don't know if they make a 3 ccylinder in it?. noel in nm Edited February 21, 2013 by lugnut123 Quote
Dave72dt Posted February 21, 2013 Report Posted February 21, 2013 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 cyl Deutz diesels commonly used as stationary power plants. Some 5 cyl were used for a diesel conversion in pickups in the late 80's early 90's. 3cyl through 6 cyl were used in tractors, some turboed units Quote
1952B3b23 Posted February 22, 2013 Author Report Posted February 22, 2013 As for the diesel Mercedes swaps i dont know to much about those, but a quick google search of the OM617 showed that people do put them in Jeeps and other lighter vehicles. Im pretty sure there is a section on the 4bt swaps forum that is dedicated to non-4bt swaps and they talk about Mercedes diesel swaps there if youre interested in reading more. Im sure that with some doing they could be made to fit in our trucks. A question that pops into mind is that since its Mercedes are the parts going to be far more expensive than Cummins would be? The 4bt is expensive and not that easy to find, i payed $2,300 for mine in running condition but have added a different styled oil pan and oil sump so the motors actual cost is being driven up. I like it because i am a huge Cummins fan and there power potential is one of the best out there for diesels, i plan on having the 4bt turned up so it'll make decent HP and plenty of torque. Another very convenient thing is that the 4 cyl and 6 cyl are essentially the same motor therefore 6bt parts fit on the 4 so theyre readily available. Also the engine block and tranny interface on both motors is also the same so they can be adapted for use on a 4. The tranny i will be using is from a '92 D250 12 v Cummins (Getrag G360 5sp manual) it should bolt right up to the 4 which is very handy, no searching for adapter plates and what not. Im not to familiar with the Duetz diesel but i do know that i have a 2 cylinder version in my Bomag vibratory roller and the thing runs like a champ. It also uses very little fuel it and provides plenty of power. That would be pretty cool to swap into a vehicle, i wonder how much they go for and how difficult it would be to adapt and automotive tranny to them? -Chris Quote
Dodgeb4ya Posted February 22, 2013 Report Posted February 22, 2013 If I was to put a diesel in one of my big dodge trucks it would have to be a Detroit diesel. Those DD's are one screaming piece of rotating machinery! every time I hear one which is hardly ever any more I have to stop what I'm doin just to see and listen! I remember the old Euclid dozers ran those screaming Detroits too! Amazing engines compared to todays enviroment friendly diesels. You will hear one coming before you even see it! Quote
Merle Coggins Posted February 22, 2013 Report Posted February 22, 2013 (edited) If I was to put a diesel in one of my big dodge trucks it would have to be a Detroit diesel. Those DD's are one screaming piece of rotating machinery! every time I hear one which is hardly ever any more I have to stop what I'm doin just to see and listen! I remember the old Euclid dozers ran those screaming Detroits too! Amazing engines compared to todays enviroment friendly diesels. You will hear one coming before you even see it! I've worked on many a Detroit diesel over the years. The 6V53 was probably has the most unique noise and can rev quite high for a diesel it's size. One of my former colleagues called them "converter engines", because all they do is convert fuel into noise. Edited February 22, 2013 by Merle Coggins Quote
Don Coatney Posted February 22, 2013 Report Posted February 22, 2013 I once owned a 6V53 in one of my ice cream trucks. Two stroke 6 banger with a huffer. They spin at almost double the RPM's of a conventional 4 stroke. Love the sound. Recommended oil change interval 50,000 miles. They are used in a lot of busses. Quote
Merle Coggins Posted February 22, 2013 Report Posted February 22, 2013 I once did a tune up on a 6V53 in a mobile crane. When I finished and was setting the High Free Idle I though I had done something wrong as it was spinning at near 4000 RPM. I double checked the spec for that application and found it was correct. I was used to 2500 - 3000 HFI on the other ones I had done. It was all exaggerated by the fact that I had the hood off, with the air filter and mufflers, so I was running it with open intake and exhaust. Those blowers rally scream when they're aren't muffled by an air filter. Quote
1952B3b23 Posted February 22, 2013 Author Report Posted February 22, 2013 Those Detroits do sound pretty awesome and they are a nice little motor. The second video "Dodgeb4ya" posted of the guy driving the twin sticks blows my mind. Ive never driven a truck like that and it seems like itd be a real pain in the a**, has anyone had any experience with those and care to explain how it works and how the driving was? Quote
lugnut123 Posted February 22, 2013 Report Posted February 22, 2013 I have a friend that has been putting izuzu diesels in his trucks for years.He has 38 bus that he put an izuzi in . He has a 76 ford 1 ton it has over a million miles on it. He takes them to truck shows. Quote
Dave72dt Posted February 23, 2013 Report Posted February 23, 2013 Looks like it might be a five and four transmission in the Diamond T. five speed gear and 4 speed range. some of the gears overlap a bit so the shifting appears erratic but once you now the pattern , not so bad, switch on the dash i think was the Jake brake. I was told by a person the drove them that you started the day by slamming your fingers in the door and driving like you were mad at it all day Quote
1952B3b23 Posted February 23, 2013 Author Report Posted February 23, 2013 It definitely seemed like some erratic shifting and one hell of a workout lol. I figured that the switch on the dash was the jake telling by the exhaust tone. Was that style of tranny the norm for Diamond T's? Quote
lugnut123 Posted March 2, 2013 Report Posted March 2, 2013 I was down at a car show today and found a guy that wants someone to swap a 350 chevy into a bread truck . he will give you the 4bt to do the swap. dang. noel in nm Quote
1952B3b23 Posted March 2, 2013 Author Report Posted March 2, 2013 I was down at a car show today and found a guy that wants someone to swap a 350 chevy into a bread truck . he will give you the 4bt to do the swap. dang. noel in nm Wow thats pretty awesome unless of course the 4bt is completely junk, even then you could part out whats good and make some money. I wonder if he knows that 4bt's bring decent money... Quote
1952B3b23 Posted March 5, 2013 Author Report Posted March 5, 2013 I was finally able to do a bit more work on the truck... i removed the rear end to make way for the new one when i get it. Also so that i can suspend the frame on my "frame stands" to make it easier to spin while im boxing it. I finally completed one of the frame stands and the other one is about half way done. Attached are a couple pics of the completed one. Now that i have everything stripped off the frame i think that the passenger side frame rail underneath the bed area is slightly twisted towards the drivers side rail. Its the area with the red arrow pointing to it in the picture. Do you guys agree? Also it seems that the frame bends in and gets narrower at the point where the front shackle attaches on the rear spring. Is this normal? It seems like its even on both the left and right rails and the bend starts at the same point, so im thinking this should be there but im not sure. Things to be done next are, finish the other frame stand, get the frame mounted to the stands, and begin the boxing process. -Chris Quote
Dave72dt Posted March 5, 2013 Report Posted March 5, 2013 Yes, the frame narrows from the front mount for the rear springs forward. Check the diagonal measurments in several places as long as you have a bare frame and verify it's square before you start boxing.. Quote
48Dodger Posted March 5, 2013 Report Posted March 5, 2013 Yes.....it narrows up. It actually adds strength, but I believe its for wheel movement left to right. 48D Quote
1952B3b23 Posted March 5, 2013 Author Report Posted March 5, 2013 Thanks guys i thought the narrowing looked uniform and like it should be there always good to double check. Very good point "Dave72dt", if the frame needs to be straightened nows the time to do it. -Chris Quote
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