1947plymouthrodder Posted July 23, 2012 Report Posted July 23, 2012 So I have a 47 special deluxe and a chance to pick up a 413 max wedge and torqueflight 727 trans for my plymouth. Question is, will it fit? Any help would be great! Quote
Plymouthy Adams Posted July 23, 2012 Report Posted July 23, 2012 we have plenty of P15's here sporting big blocks..answer is yes..obviously you are farming this out.. Quote
1947plymouthrodder Posted July 23, 2012 Author Report Posted July 23, 2012 No farming out, most work done by myself. Should I be farming it out? Quote
1947plymouthrodder Posted July 23, 2012 Author Report Posted July 23, 2012 I will obviously need to fabrictae mounts, I just wasn't sure about the 413. I can't find any on the internet with that motor. A picture of one would be nice to find. Quote
Plymouthy Adams Posted July 23, 2012 Report Posted July 23, 2012 by the nature of you asking the question, having plymouthrodder in your name..farming out may be the very question you should ask yourself..a rodder with experience would never have asked the question...I have put a many engine in a many cars as retrofits..never asked if it could be done..got a tape meausre?..start your homework now..engine dimensions of the the V8 is online... Quote
1941Rick Posted July 23, 2012 Report Posted July 23, 2012 You can put in any engine into any car.....Friend of mine has a 427 BBC in an Austin A40... Quote
Plymouthy Adams Posted July 23, 2012 Report Posted July 23, 2012 I will obviously need to fabrictae mounts, I just wasn't sure about the 413. I can't find any on the internet with that motor. A picture of one would be nice to find. being a wedge engine..you seen one big block..you seen them all..intake configurations and cast exhaust manifolds being some of the bigger difference in physical footprint..you can mix and match for whatever side of the engine you want the water intake.. Quote
Oldguy48 Posted July 24, 2012 Report Posted July 24, 2012 Whether you farm it out or do it yourself, please post some pictures for the forum to enjoy:D Quote
Adam H P15 D30 Posted July 24, 2012 Report Posted July 24, 2012 It's smaller (physical size) than the one in my 47. Steering may be an issue with the stock box.... Cut away my friend and post the picts... Quote
FESTER60 Posted July 24, 2012 Report Posted July 24, 2012 You can put in any engine into any car.....Friend of mine has a 427 BBC in an Austin A40... Yes. Just the other day looking under the hood of the wife's Subaru I was thinking, Hmmm I wonder if a small block would fit in there? Quote
Rusty O'Toole Posted July 24, 2012 Report Posted July 24, 2012 No it won't fit. Some will tell you to jam it in there, it still won't fit. Can you force it to fit? You can force anything. But even if you did a perfect job and it worked perfect the steering, brakes, tires and handling would be dangerously inadequate. A professional hot rod shop would gut the car like a trout, build a whole new chassis with better steering, disc brakes, heavy duty rear axle etc. The whole deal would cost $50,000 but it would be safe to drive. It wouldn't be any fun, it would be a gas hog to boot but you wouldn't be endangering the public every time you left your drive way. Better keep it stock or if you really want a 413, buy a newer car. A 413 will bolt straight into any 1958 up Chrysler DeSoto Plymouth or Dodge full size car. Quote
Rusty O'Toole Posted July 24, 2012 Report Posted July 24, 2012 By the way someone is bullshitting you. There is no such thing as a 413 Max Wedge. There was a 413 which was used in Chrysler 300, New Yorker and Imperial starting in 1959. And there was a high performance Max Wedge 426 used in Dodge and Plymouth full size race cars from 1962 and 63 but no 413 Max Wedge. The 413 was a luxury car engine with small valves and relatively low power compared to the Max Wedge and Hemi racing engines. A 413 in a 47 Plymouth coupe would have been cool in 1961 but not now. Quote
Adam H P15 D30 Posted July 24, 2012 Report Posted July 24, 2012 (edited) By the way someone is bullshitting you. There is no such thing as a 413 Max Wedge. There was a 413 which was used in Chrysler 300' date=' New Yorker and Imperial starting in 1959. And there was a high performance Max Wedge 426 used in Dodge and Plymouth full size race cars from 1962 and 63 but no 413 Max Wedge.The 413 was a luxury car engine with small valves and relatively low power compared to the Max Wedge and Hemi racing engines. A 413 in a 47 Plymouth coupe would have been cool in 1961 but not now.[/quote'] Ever heard of a Super Commando??? Funny, I've built a couple of BIG BLOCK hot rods in my 1 car, non professional garage. Drove every one of them, SAFELY. Big Block B and RB motors are not that much bigger than a Small Block Chevy or Mopar. The oil pump is the biggest obsticle. Flat 6 is cool (I drive mine all the time) But there is nothing wrong with putting a classic Mopar engine in a Mopar. At least it's not another 350 chevy. Edited July 24, 2012 by Adam H P15 D30 Quote
Plymouthy Adams Posted July 24, 2012 Report Posted July 24, 2012 (edited) By the way someone is bullshitting you. There is no such thing as a 413 Max Wedge. There was a 413 which was used in Chrysler 300' date=' New Yorker and Imperial starting in 1959. And there was a high performance Max Wedge 426 used in Dodge and Plymouth full size race cars from 1962 and 63 but no 413 Max Wedge.The 413 was a luxury car engine with small valves and relatively low power compared to the Max Wedge and Hemi racing engines. A 413 in a 47 Plymouth coupe would have been cool in 1961 but not now.[/quote'] Rusty...quite the contrary..the 413 Max Wedge was the very engine in the super stock Dodge and was introduced in 1962 with 420 HP sporting the two 4 bbls..page 236 Mopar Engines book by Mopar Performance, the 426 was also introduced in 1962 in the Chrysler and was to become the legend, continued as the 426 Max Wedge into 1963 and in 1964 the stage II and Stage III versions. But the 413 Max Wedge did exist..!!! Edited July 27, 2012 by Tim Adams Quote
fstfish66 Posted July 24, 2012 Report Posted July 24, 2012 get the shoe horn out and stuff that 413 in there,,, a friend has a 62 413 in a 37 plymouth,,,fits like a glove:cool: Quote
james curl Posted July 24, 2012 Report Posted July 24, 2012 Why yes it fit like a glove, very tight. It should not be any heaver than the stock I|6 which is around 750# wet. Might as well go for it, do you already have the engine or have a lead on one or just asking. Quote
greg g Posted July 24, 2012 Report Posted July 24, 2012 I have some personal expereince with a facrtory 62 Plymouth Savoy 413 Max. 5 of us co owned and drag raced one that was aquired from one of the factory teams when the factory moved from SS racing to FX. It was a delete everything with aluminum front bumper, hood, bench seat, vinyl covered cardboard rear seat. non roll up side widows and some other stuff that I am too old to remember. It was a SS/A car that we ran as an A/MP on street slicks. We detuned it a bit to run pump gas, and it consistantly ran in the low 13's high 12's. I sold my interest in 1966 to pay my college tuition. It was definately a dual cross short ram big valve 413. From ALL PAR 413, 13.5 CR, 420@5,400 480@4400, 2x4 barrel Ram-Charger option Dodge/Plymouth very similar to this http://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/carsforsale/plymouth/savoy/1412102.html Quote
Young Ed Posted July 24, 2012 Report Posted July 24, 2012 Sadly Greg that car would probably pay your entire way through school at todays values. Quote
dezeldoc Posted July 24, 2012 Report Posted July 24, 2012 No it won't fit. Some will tell you to jam it in there' date=' it still won't fit. Can you force it to fit? You can force anything. But even if you did a perfect job and it worked perfect the steering, brakes, tires and handling would be dangerously inadequate.A professional hot rod shop would gut the car like a trout, build a whole new chassis with better steering, disc brakes, heavy duty rear axle etc. The whole deal would cost $50,000 but it would be safe to drive. It wouldn't be any fun, it would be a gas hog to boot but you wouldn't be endangering the public every time you left your drive way. Better keep it stock or if you really want a 413, buy a newer car. A 413 will bolt straight into any 1958 up Chrysler DeSoto Plymouth or Dodge full size car.[/quote'] By the way someone is bullshitting you. There is no such thing as a 413 Max Wedge. There was a 413 which was used in Chrysler 300' date=' New Yorker and Imperial starting in 1959. And there was a high performance Max Wedge 426 used in Dodge and Plymouth full size race cars from 1962 and 63 but no 413 Max Wedge.The 413 was a luxury car engine with small valves and relatively low power compared to the Max Wedge and Hemi racing engines. A 413 in a 47 Plymouth coupe would have been cool in 1961 but not now.[/quote'] People with little or no knowledge of a subject should not try and give others advise. Better to be thought a fool than to prove it! Quote
Rusty O'Toole Posted July 25, 2012 Report Posted July 25, 2012 Ever heard of a Super Commando??? Funny, I've built a couple of BIG BLOCK hot rods in my 1 car, non professional garage. Drove every one of them, SAFELY. I've heard of a Golden Commando. Did you drive those hot rods SAFELY on stock brakes,stock wheels, stock tires, stock suspension, and stock rear axles? If so you have a different definition of safety than I have. On the other hand, if you upgraded the brakes, wheels, tires, suspension, and rear axle to handle the extra 300 horsepower, you did what I advised the questioner to do. Just to change the subject do you have any idea how many amateurs have tried to install big block engines in old cars, and how many of those cars wound up butchered, unfinished and scrapped? Quote
Rusty O'Toole Posted July 25, 2012 Report Posted July 25, 2012 People with little or no knowledge of a subject should not try and give others advise. Better to be thought a fool than to prove it! I'll bet you a new car I have built more old cars and hot rods than you have. After working in garages for 20 years I have a little more knowledge than some internet experts who glibly advise amateurs to tackle jobs that a professional with a fully equipped shop would think twice about. The sad part is when the unfortunate amateur has his car all torn apart and comes back plaintively asking what his next move is, these Cliff Clavens are never around with the answers. Quote
Rusty O'Toole Posted July 25, 2012 Report Posted July 25, 2012 The chance that the questioner can actually get a genuine 1962 Max Wedge 413 is extremely remote. I will not say actually impossible because they do exist and there is a chance he found one for a couple hundred $$$$ bucks at the yard sale of a deceased racer. But if someone did find such an engine he would be crazy to put it in a 47 Plymouth. For what he could get from a collector he could buy a brand new crate engine from Chrysler and have change left over. I assumed from the start that he may have found an old 413 out of a New Yorker or Imperial and glibly called it a Max Wedge because he didn't know any better. This would be part and parcel of an amateur asking if such an engine would fit in a 47 Plymouth. I have been involved in the building of such hot rods and frankly if you have to ask a question like that, you don't know enough to pull it off. And if you are a good enough mechanic to do the job, you won't need to ask. Quote
Plymouthy Adams Posted July 25, 2012 Report Posted July 25, 2012 now..to that end I will not not disagree...I would think it would be exceptionally hard to stumble upon a a block stamped MP...and if he did..the block would be work the entire build of the car he wants to put it in for a person in need of this engine for a genuine 62 Max Wedge and even the clone folks will draw heavy on the bank funds for the right stuff...so yeah..maybe a 413 of later truck/motor home fame...these engines were continued for a number of years... Quote
wayfarer Posted July 25, 2012 Report Posted July 25, 2012 People with little or no knowledge of a subject should not try and give others advise. Better to be thought a fool than to prove it! Well said!! Quote
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