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Royal Bank of Canada Money Order Fraud


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I sold a disc brake kit last month for a 55 Dodge car to a Canadian Fellow named Tom Silex (probably an alias) whose address was reported to me as 11175 Pretty Rd, Winfield, BC Canada. He even gave me a phone number that later turned out to be the Arrowleaf Cellars Winery. He paid me $215 via a Royal Bank of Canada money order which I deposited in my local Florida account. Having always believed money orders to be as good as cash and generally liking Canadians I shipped his kit. When the money order was returned unpaid my bank deducted the funds from my account. By the time I received the letter and the rejected money order I was bouncing checks and bills left and right. I was charged hefty fees totaling another $130 over and above the original $215. I contacted RBC who politely and efficiently determined the money order was not one of theirs and wished me luck. They had no interest in the fact that a person was using their bank as part of a fraud transaction. So, lesson learned. As of today I will no longer accept any form or payment for any of my services other than Paypal, or Cash in US dollars. And if anyone offers to pay you with a Royal Bank of Canada money order I would recommend that you decline the offer.

RCB Money Order.pdf

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That's too bad Charlie. If someone is defruading folks for what (not to belittle your lose) is basically pocket money, you gotta wonder what else they have been cooking with the same recipe.

I have always used US Postal Service Money order for my long distance person to person transactions, as I wonder about the safety of pay pal. I guess even teller checks and certified checks can't be trusted anymore.

Like somebody said it's a big barrel we have here, and it bound to include some rotten apples.

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Had a situation arise where a fellow in Saskatchewan wanted my truck and camper..55thou....only viewed Kijiji add.....wanted to pay with Paypal.....told him cash is always best...he insisted on Paypal and that it was safe....I called Paypal and the word from them was that this guy is a fraud. If he knows the system he could put the money inbto his paypal account then transfer it to me..I get notified and transfer the money to my bank account..simple,,ya right....he then gets the transaction reversed and Paypal then dings my credit card and there is nothing I can do but use the money I transfered to my back to pay the credit card off...Just a quick not Olddaddy not all canadians are dishonest..there are frauds everywhere and it is a shame you have been stiffed..

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Sorry to hear this Charlie, just looking at this Bank Draft, looks fake to me, for example beside USA dollars, it says Canadien, well that is French version of Canadian.

Most transaction s would state USD or US Dollars.

I hope this is a 1 time thing, you should report this to the RCMP, fraud division contact the RCMP Detachment Lake Country Detachment

3231 Berry Rd

Winfield, BC V0H 2C0

Phone: (250) 766-2288

Hours:

Mon to Fri: 8 am - 4 pm

Sat & Sun: Closed

Hey this scumbag, could be scamming a all over th place, and needs to be stopped....Fred

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Didn't look at the PDF earlier, but did you notice there is a difference in the type font in the address line???

there is a house there but who knows who lives there.

I'd do what Fred suggested call the RCMP and report it as a wire fraud.

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Lots of scammers out there; I had one try to pass a phony money order on me for a part I sold. I just called the bank branch printed on the money order and gave then the ID # and they were able to pull it up. The ID # was legit. However, It was supposed to be for $300 and they showed it was issued for $3. I guess the guy used a computer to copy it and change the amount. Always, always call and verify money orders and cashiers checks and tell the buyer no product until the issuing bank verifies it.

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Given..in the case of falconvan...that the check was authentic on purchase but for a lesser amount you would think there would be a video of this transaction..all tellers and all transactions are recorded..and am certain with the minimum amount of effort a face would be placed with this transaction..complete with a ID card as it is required if or if not a member of the bank from which the check was accquired..Moral..you on your own..bank got their money even if for only 3.00, will cost them more than that to track/trace/research the film track..and figure the loss would be better absorbed by the customer..

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I often use money orders or cashiers checks when buying over the internet and especially from forum members (I too don't trust "Pay-Pal" or using credit cards when buying on line).:( I was always under the impression this way of providing payment would put the seller at ease and would guarantee my payment, as monies had to be put up first at the bank. I was raised to believe, among other things, that a mans' word was his bond. I have a "thing" with those who would cheat or steal from others.:mad: PS. I sure hope falconvan wasn't referring to one of my purchases ???:confused: lol big time!!:D Cass, alias littlemo...

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The serial number on the top right corner of the "money order" appears to have three digits removed - the space before the 9-440. Also the 0 just before the space appears to have been shaved when the three digits were removed.

As well the numbers on the bottom of the form appear to have been altered. The "44906920" in the bottom left corner. The second "9" is a little higher than the other numbers in the sequence. Compare it with the first "9".

Not surprised the person at RBC was not in a bother with the situation. The bank is not out any money and it is not the result of anything they did. Now, if the bank had honoured a financial instrument and they lost money, you can bet your next pay cheque the RCMP would be on site in minutes!

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Given..in the case of falconvan...that the check was authentic on purchase but for a lesser amount you would think there would be a video of this transaction..all tellers and all transactions are recorded..and am certain with the minimum amount of effort a face would be placed with this transaction..complete with a ID card as it is required if or if not a member of the bank from which the check was accquired..Moral..you on your own..bank got their money even if for only 3.00, will cost them more than that to track/trace/research the film track..and figure the loss would be better absorbed by the customer..

That right, Tim. The bank didn't seem interested in the info I had on the guy. After some checking I found out that my only recourse was to take it to my local postmaster, which I did, and report the guy for mail fraud. It probably did absolutely nothing as I'm sure the guy used a phony name. I did get to send a "You didn't get me, you SOB" email which felt pretty good. I think this goes on everyday with thousands of big dollar scams going through so they're probably don't have the resources to pursue the little fish.

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Bummer...:mad:

There are waaaay too many criminals plying their trade in the old car hobby and somedays even cash is suspect.

I use paypal alot but hate the 3% fee...yeah I know about the 'gift' label.

Be cautious about USPS money orders as they also have be counterfeited. My local PO has a scanner gizmo they pass the mo's through to check them.

In short, until I have cash in hand nothing gets shipped. On the flip side, I recently sent a check, which was promptly cashed, for a cam core. I am still waiting.............

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Having always believed money orders to be as good as cash and generally liking Canadians I shipped his kit.

Hopefully this negative experience will not change your "general liking of Canadians".

Unfortunately scammer's reside everywhere, but do not represent a whole country.

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good point Don..me thinks it may be a good deal to buy some items with a bill of sale even at a swap meet..trivial small parts nah..but an eng/tranny combo..might be a good idea especially if a later model intended for a retro mod..20 years ago it was a different world..but looking back..heck we even had unscrupulous folks then..just fewer in number..

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Most of those types ended up "hanging" around or from a tree on Dad's back forty !!!:rolleyes: Cass, alias littlemo...

..Kinda reminds me of a large sign I saw in a gas station/convenience store west of Billings,Montana a few years back when I pulled off the highway to gas up.They sold pretty well everything from gas to groceries and hunting rifles,liquor,etc...There was no mistaking their message.."Shoplifters - We Hang 'em High!"

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