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[greg g]

It not really card board in the corrugated box type stuff. You can source a similar material called backer board from local upholstery shops. It comes in 4 x 8 sheets and its a pressed lamination of about 12 layers of paper bonded together. Some of it even has a leatherette finish embossed into on surface. It used for door panels, kick panels, package shelf etc. Not real expensive and made for the job.

[1940_dodge]

Just got a tune up booklet for the 40-48 dodge models. I'll post a couple scans tonight and if anyone wants the whole book let me know. You'll just have to promise me not to charge anyone for it, things are hard enough to find as it is and we shouldn't make it any harder.

[1940_dodge]

[Niel Hoback]

You got me looking at some of my stash and found four of those, Dodge, DeSoto, Chrysler, and Plymouth, 1939-1948. I must have gotten them at a swap meet somewhere. I too, would be happy to scan and mail to anyone who wants info. Hahahah, all I gotta do is figger out how. I'll work on it.

They are like a major award; Frah-jee-lay. Is it too soon for that?

[1940_dodge]

You got me looking at some of my stash and found four of those, Dodge, DeSoto, Chrysler, and Plymouth, 1939-1948. I must have gotten them at a swap meet somewhere. I too, would be happy to scan and mail to anyone who wants info. Hahahah, all I gotta do is figger out how. I'll work on it.

They are like a major award; Frah-jee-lay. Is it too soon for that?

That's awesome man, I'm glad to hear that you would do that too.

[1940_dodge]

I'm not going to be able to work on the car for a couple months at least, what is the best way to put this on blocks? Where should I place them, could i just rest the drum on the block or should I put it somewhere else?

[Plymouthy Adams]

never too soon for a major award..

[oldodge41]

never too soon for a major award..

Careful kid, you'll shoot your eye out.

[Don Coatney]

I'm not going to be able to work on the car for a couple months at least, what is the best way to put this on blocks? Where should I place them, could i just rest the drum on the block or should I put it somewhere else?

Were it me I would support the frame with the suspension relaxed. Do you now have a game plan for this car?

[1940_dodge]

never too soon for a major award..

On blocks? I think your judgment might be off on this. The previous owner had it sitting on the drums on hollow concrete blocks. I don't know if he did this because the metal that these are made with is strong enough that they wont warp or if he just did it because he didn't know any better. Thus the question, is it okay for it to be on the drums or should I put it on the frame? What is the safest way to do this for the car?

[1940_dodge]

Were it me I would support the frame with the suspension relaxed. Do you now have a game plan for this car?

As mentioned earlier it will be a full restoration but I wont be starting until after december.

[T120]

...We all heard the cautions,sometimes with selective hearing

[1940_dodge]

...We all heard the cautions,sometimes with selective hearing

What cautions would those be?

[1940_dodge]

I have to say I am just astounded by the number of rude people there are on this forum. Rather than be here to help each other out with problems that come up relating to rolling pieces of history, they're intent to use inside jokes and ignore/belittle requests from people that are seriously trying to bring a piece of history back to life. It's disgusting.

But I wont be quitting, oh no. I'll keep my restoration thread for those that are seriously interested in the process of bringing a car back to life.

[greg g]

go to harbor freight or northern tool and get 4 of those furniture moving dollies, and prop the car up on those. You will be able to tuck it up against the wall until you can work on it.

Don't see where any body was rude but cinder blocks or cement blocks are not a good idea as they can and do collaspe. plus they make it hard to move the car if you need to.

They can also wick moisture deirwtly to your frame is your storage area floor is damp.

[Plymouthy Adams]

Originally Posted by Tim Adams

never too soon for a major award..

On blocks? I think your judgment might be off on this. The previous owner had it sitting on the drums on hollow concrete blocks. I don't know if he did this because the metal that these are made with is strong enough that they wont warp or if he just did it because he didn't know any better. Thus the question, is it okay for it to be on the drums or should I put it on the frame? What is the safest way to do this for the car?

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Jayson

learn to follow a thread..my post was in answer to a reference to the movie " A Christmas Story" and was in no way an answer or point of interest to your method of storing a car..but if you care for me to weigh in on the subject...One could be better served placing a tarp on the floor of the area you choose to store the car to serve as a moisture barrier, second place the car over the tarp..jack vehicle up from center of axle at rear of car and insert jack stands of sufficient strength and insert under the frame..do the same in the front using cross ember as jacking point..this will get the tires off the ground, prevent dry rot and flat spots..yeah it is a bit of work but all things done right involves a bit of extra effort.

[Don Coatney]

As mentioned earlier it will be a full restoration but I wont be starting until after december.

As I mentioned earlier in case you missed it...

Restoration is not a word to use for anything other than a complete restoration as in returning the car to the same condition it was in when it left the assembly line. Very few cars in this world have gone through a complete restoration due to the time and high dollar costs involved.....

Do you have any idea of the costs and time involved to do a full restoration? It is your car and you should do with it as you see fit. The intent of my posting is not to discourage you but to make you aware of what you are getting into.

[Captain Neon]

I haven't seen a complete restoration since about 1986. Every thing else has been fixing up. I've never seen a complete restoration on any MoPar earlier than 1968. I don't think there is even any one alive now that could do a complete restoration on a '40s car of any type. I've seen some untouched originals, but never a complete restoration.

[greg g]

Well there was a pretty close one done by the fellow from California who posted all the links to his videos of his 41 project. And while they were well done, fun, and informative, they merely scratched the surface of the work that he did. There wasn't much mention, or record of what was done off premiss, or sub contraced to others. nor much regarding the mechanical systems.

But that was the closest to a restoration I've seen in a while.

I believe his username was 41asc so you might want to check out his member page and take a look at his links to his video series.

Unfortunately, there have also been lots of posts from folks who have torn into their cars with high intentions, only to realize they have bitten off more than they could chew with regard to mechanical skills, time, and money, and other resources, only to abandon the project.

Certainly wish you well in your project.

[ktmripper]

What is the big deal about the word restoration. I think you know what he means. Restoration to the best of my ability and finances.

I am also a mopar novice who is ankle deep in two "restorations"

My 1948 d24 looks to be in similar condition except my floor only has a couple rust holes to be fixed.

Room to work is key, also having a supportive wife (or no wife).

good luck.

[Don Coatney]

What is the big deal about the word restoration.

In my opinion I believe it has to do with correct use of the English language.

restoration, the act of restoring or state of being restored, as to a former or original condition

repair, the work, act, or process of repairing to sound condition

There is a big difference between restoring and repairing.

[Plymouthy Adams]

we used the words restoration, overhaul and repair to work in the production of end item used on ships/subs in the Navy...as a civilain employee a restoration was very very involved and when it left the shop it not only worked as new..but cosmetically it was new down to the paint, dressing of the interior panels , well just everything..the rebuild just got touched up to prevent corrosion of metal surfaces and the major known wear components were replaced but cosmetics be dang..repair to work..aligned and tested to meet minimum specs for short time till scheduled restoration and or overhaul..

it is only new once..it cannot be better than new or its not a restoration..I have been to elite events where the upper crust of vehicles have been displayed and have never seen a car that was restored..seen some that were very close and some excellent examples..

[greg g]

In the old car market restored used to mean put back to the condition in which the car left the factory using authentic factory replacement parts. This is the Plymouth Owners Club mantra ad the basis for their judging criteria.

Now if you look at ebay, and yes its as verified accurate as wikipedia but it has become the standard of the industry, Resored gets used to describe street rods and other cars that are highly modified. Car features a Frame Off restoration, then we tore all that stuff out put in a crate motor, four link air bagged suspension, ford rear end, cadillac seats, billet wheel, air conditioning, cruise control and an electronics package that rivals the Space Shuttle. Nice cars in many context but not restorations. The term gets tossed at a lot of vehicles that are not restored.

[Plymouthy Adams]

kinda like the couple who say they built heir own house...bull..you sat there and at max maybe directed a few contractor/subcontractor while you ran helter skelter trying to pick out cabinets and facets, paint and curtains....give me a break..cut some wood, drive a nail, dig a foundation, lay out some plumbing, hang and finsih some sheetrock..10 years later tell me about how soon you will be finished with your house..

[Robert Horne]

On blocks? I think your judgment might be off on this. The previous owner had it sitting on the drums on hollow concrete blocks. I don't know if he did this because the metal that these are made with is strong enough that they wont warp or if he just did it because he didn't know any better. Thus the question, is it okay for it to be on the drums or should I put it on the frame? What is the safest way to do this for the car?

Good that you are thinking of safety while spending time on your project.

I keep plenty of eye wear, gloves, jack stands, extinguishers, band aids, telephone, etc. handy.

I stored my Plymouth, and Dodge using 4 auto jack stands, under the frame. I placed several cookie sheets with cat litter, on a large plastic sheet, under the car to soak up moisture, and any oil/grease drips. With the wheels off the car, I could work on brakes, etc. easy when ever I had the time. My brake drums had high spots, probably from sitting too long,so had them shaved.

I always use jack stands when ever I jack a car up, even for a short time. If a jack seal pops, the car come down in an instant.