4 speed manual tranny & e-brake help

[4852dodge]

None of my 4speeds(4) have the heavy lower spring.

[Merle Coggins]

None of my 4speeds(4) have the heavy lower spring.

Mine does. Maybe it's just the earlier ones.

[Dodgeb4ya]

Here is a factory picture of the dodge truck pull back spring and extension wire-kinda like on the cars. Pic is of a 3 speed but 4 speeds would be about the same except for length. Parts #'s are different.

[smallblockjunkie]

this is what my four speed looks like as far as ebrakes

[Young Ed]

Could this extra spring be a difference between the handle operated vs the cable operated ones?

[ggdad1951]

I have the cable operated one like in the post by Dodgeb4ya. And no big fatty.

[Merle Coggins]

I have the cable operated one like in the post by Dodgeb4ya. And no big fatty.

And my cable pull park brake HAS the fatty.

Things that make you go Hmmm.

Merle

[John-T-53]

I wondered about this too; the cable-operated hand brake on my now defunct 3-speed never had the stout spring; it worked fine as long as I kept it adjusted properly..and remembered to disengage it before driving!

One reason I can think of for this spring's purpose is to keep constant pressure on the band after everything cools down. Considering the brake would usually be applied when everything's fully warmed up from driving. What do y'all think?

ggdad, I think you'll be able to get along without it. But, you might be able to substitute an old valve spring in its place.

Edited June 5, 2011 by John-T-53

[Young Ed]

ggdad, I think you'll be able to get along without it. But, you might be able to substitute an old valve spring in its place.

That is an excellent idea. They sure seem similiar. Mark let me know if you don't have one of your old ones.

[49Bseries]

I have a 1950 with the cable t-handle pull under the dash and it does not have the fat spring either and I recall seeing an illustration matching my set up in on of the manuals.

[Young Ed]

Ok mystery solved at least in my book. My 40-47 dodge/fargo parts book lists that fat spring as a hand brake operation spring part #580050. Some of the models list a note under this part with the note reading not used until after serial #xxxxxxxx So there were some ebrake assemblies made without it.

[george c]

Ford.... <shudder>.....

If the Ford will fit I have a four speed in storage, I'll go check it tomorrow for the fatty spring and send it on to you.

George

[Merle Coggins]

Ok mystery solved at least in my book. My 40-47 dodge/fargo parts book lists that fat spring as a hand brake operation spring part #580050. Some of the models list a note under this part with the note reading not used until after serial #xxxxxxxx So there were some ebrake assemblies made without it.

That is interesting. I had a look in my '48-'53 B-Series parts manual and it shows the spring, item # 4-07-5, as "Spring, Operating (4 and 5 speed)". Shown for all generations and all size ranges with P/N 580050.

Merle

[ggdad1951]

That is interesting. I had a look in my '48-'53 B-Series parts manual and it shows the spring, item # 4-07-5, as "Spring, Operating (4 and 5 speed)". Shown for all generations and all size ranges with P/N 580050.

Merle

considering my parts book is for the 50's trucks and it shows the spring.....

[ggdad1951]

If the Ford will fit I have a four speed in storage, I'll go check it tomorrow for the fatty spring and send it on to you.

George

that's cool, I'll just have to exorsize the demons out of it if it works!

[homer2105]

You guys did a great job on the pics of the truck brake. Is there anyone out there that has pics of their D24? Having a bear of a time reconstructing what was there as it was in the trunk when I bought car . I have fluid drive so park brake is somewhat of a necessity!!. Shop manual is pretty much useless as far as any expolded view. Need procedure to adjust. When I fiddle with anchor bolt it tightens up. Had Tennessee Clutch & Supply reline it. Great people, reasonable and fast turn around. Email if you'd like: homer2105@aol.com