michael.warshaw Posted October 15, 2009 Report Posted October 15, 2009 looing to buy battery hold down, what did the oem look like? after searching i didnt see any pics. i bought this one but it looks hand made, and not the origanal one. but i could be wrong. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=350257217650&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWNX%3AIT Quote
eric wissing Posted October 15, 2009 Report Posted October 15, 2009 Looks correct. A fellow member sold me one. They aren't real easy to come by because some goofs, I guess get in a hurry and toss them. Eric Quote
Norm's Coupe Posted October 15, 2009 Report Posted October 15, 2009 That does look close to original. Actually a lot of guys just pick up a universal one from the store like I did. Quote
Plymouthy Adams Posted October 15, 2009 Report Posted October 15, 2009 ah...but if the hold down bolts don't have DPCD stamped on them is there really a need to have a OEM hold down frame..not to mention the other finer things that are aprt of the battery area. Quote
michael.warshaw Posted October 15, 2009 Author Report Posted October 15, 2009 it doesnt look like oem becuase i see welded, in the corners and grinded with a grinder? Quote
Plymouthy Adams Posted October 15, 2009 Report Posted October 15, 2009 probably has been repaired over time..OEM is in no way should be "considered" or "implied" to be conditions such as NOS...just a piece of hardware that with some maintenance has survived the savages of time and use with some personal intervention alonng the way..you can easily make one of these in a short order as it is.. Quote
dezeldoc Posted October 15, 2009 Report Posted October 15, 2009 Mike here is your question you asked before you bought it; hello dezeldoc, wanted to know if this piece is nos? also does it come with all the right bolts that it came with new if it is nos? here is my response to you; Mike, i don't see any markings on it, and it looks just like the one in my 48. i would presume it to be nos but cannot say 100% that it is. it has everything but the one short bolt that goes into the fender. if you don't want it send it back and i will give you back your 20 bucks! Quote
michael.warshaw Posted October 15, 2009 Author Report Posted October 15, 2009 Mike here is your question you asked before you bought it; hello dezeldoc, wanted to know if this piece is nos? also does it come with all the right bolts that it came with new if it is nos? here is my response to you; Mike, i don't see any markings on it, and it looks just like the one in my 48. i would presume it to be nos but cannot say 100% that it is. it has everything but the one short bolt that goes into the fender. if you don't want it send it back and i will give you back your 20 bucks! it doesnt look origanal thats all. Quote
Norm's Coupe Posted October 15, 2009 Report Posted October 15, 2009 Like I said, I don't have an original hold down, mine is a universal hold down, with J hooks and a wing nut on top. But........if Michael had a parts book, he'd know that one does look like an original one. But hey..........dezeldoc said he'd take it back. So.......if he takes dezeldoc up on that, he can continue looking. But........he can look forever, and they will still look like the one he has. Michael, At one time I had a couple of new (never used) NOS hold downs like that, that were NOS still in the box. The welds on those were not perfect either, and as mentioned, they were new. I don't think you'll find a perfect one out there anywhere. Quote
dezeldoc Posted October 15, 2009 Report Posted October 15, 2009 What is the liquid in a battery? what does the battery put off when charging? the hold down and tray are the first thing to go on almost any old car. might have something to do with the new cars using non metallic hold downs now. Quote
michael.warshaw Posted October 15, 2009 Author Report Posted October 15, 2009 i am just asking, does this piece look origanal right style? i want to make sure it is a used origanal style piece? Quote
RobertKB Posted October 15, 2009 Report Posted October 15, 2009 Michael, yes it looks original. I have seen original ones in these cars and they look exactly like that. I would say it is original. Quote
michael.warshaw Posted October 15, 2009 Author Report Posted October 15, 2009 can you guys post pics, of your battery holders. Quote
Plymouthy Adams Posted October 15, 2009 Report Posted October 15, 2009 What is the liquid in a battery? what does the battery put off when charging? the hold down and tray are the first thing to go on almost any old car. might have something to do with the new cars using non metallic hold downs now. sulfuric acid and when charging at a high rate of current will release a bit of hydrogen gas... Quote
boxer_inv Posted October 15, 2009 Report Posted October 15, 2009 Remember that ol' Sesame Street jingle "...one of these things is not like the other...'" Here's a little test.... spot the non "OEM" looking battery hold-down from this small group... Mike, these guys have no reason to put you wrong...yet you doubt? Quote
dezeldoc Posted October 15, 2009 Report Posted October 15, 2009 Can't tell what the 3rd one is, 2nd is popo, first one maybe. Quote
BobT-47P15 Posted October 16, 2009 Report Posted October 16, 2009 The first one, while too large for the battery pictured, greatly resembles the original style hold down. There should be a threaded rod attached to the inner fender to go thru a loop on the outer side of the hold down. Then there should be a second threaded rod with a hook on the bottom end and threads on the top end to go thru a loop on the inside edge of the hold down and hook into a notch on the tray below. Both rods should have a washer and a nut. That threaded rod appears correct for the application. Should show those items in the parts manual, I imagine. I think the original holddown had a rubbery coating on the frame, which over the years was damaged by battery corrosion buildup. I imagine many people either tossed the damaged frame, or scraped off the coating, then simply painted the metal of the frame. Quote
boxer_inv Posted October 16, 2009 Report Posted October 16, 2009 The first one, while too large for the battery pictured, greatly resembles the original style hold down. There should be a threaded rod attached to the inner fender to go thru a loop on the outer side of the hold down. Then there should be a second threaded rod with a hook on the bottom end and threads on the top end to go thru a loop on the inside edge of the hold down and hook into a notch on the tray below. Both rods should have a washer and a nut. That threaded rod appears correct for the application. Should show those items in the parts manual, I imagine. I think the original holddown had a rubbery coating on the frame, which over the years was damaged by battery corrosion buildup. I imagine many people either tossed the damaged frame, or scraped off the coating, then simply painted the metal of the frame. and the winner is.... BOB T!!! Congratulations Bob, you've chosen 'my' battery hold down from Dorothy's engine bay. You're right in saying that it's too large for the current battery which is in there. I guess the original batteries were somewhat larger. Everything else you've mentioned in regards to the threaded rods, one with hook, and loops etc is spot on. I've got no reason to doubt that this is the original hold-down. As it happens, I've yet to give this and the bottom battery tray a clean up - probably paint them black too. Or aluminium silver. Quote
grey beard Posted October 16, 2009 Report Posted October 16, 2009 I'll never get any points for autheticity, but Mr. Diezeldoc made an excellent point that may have sailed over several heads in this discussion. All newer automobiles and equipment today uses non-metalic battery support and hold-down material - read some sort of man-made plastic. This is alll true for the several points he made in his post. AND, the corrosion is always greatest at the positive post - on account of the direction of electron travel being in that'a way. That's the end of your original metal tie-down that will corrode in two first. Metal hold-down frames and battery supports are always attacked by the supohuric acid in lead/acid batteries. As suck, they are always short-lived. Modern vehicles today use the side clamp route - and thist is nearly always plastic or some such formula that will not react to acid. My B1B battery sits on a truck mud flap scrap, and is held down by two heavy duty bungie coards. Is this original? Nooooo. Is it functional and practical? You decide . . . Quote
greg g Posted October 16, 2009 Report Posted October 16, 2009 (edited) OOOOOH, OOOOOH, OOOOOH, do you have the original under battery tray with the drain hole and more importantly the little drain hose. You know the battery just doesn't sit on the inner fender. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1941-48-NOS-MoPar-BATTERY-TRAY-PLYMOUTH-DODGE-DESOTO-PL_W0QQitemZ140270656523QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotorcycles_Parts_Accessories?hash=item20a8c85c0b Edited October 16, 2009 by greg g Quote
Young Ed Posted October 16, 2009 Report Posted October 16, 2009 Dave my 94 dakota uses a bar which I believe is rubber coated steal and 2 bolts to hold it down. The bar is still original but I'm on my third set of bolts and clip nuts. Quote
michael.warshaw Posted October 16, 2009 Author Report Posted October 16, 2009 OOOOOH, OOOOOH, OOOOOH, do you have the original under battery tray with the drain hole and more importantly the little drain hose. You know the battery just doesn't sit on the inner fender.http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1941-48-NOS-MoPar-BATTERY-TRAY-PLYMOUTH-DODGE-DESOTO-PL_W0QQitemZ140270656523QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotorcycles_Parts_Accessories?hash=item20a8c85c0b http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290242546500&viewitem= Quote
Plymouthy Adams Posted October 16, 2009 Report Posted October 16, 2009 ah..but also there is a phenolic liner between the battery and the tray...do you have one of these...I have a couple... Quote
michael.warshaw Posted October 16, 2009 Author Report Posted October 16, 2009 not sure if i do, i want to buy the metal piece that the battery tray rests on whee can i get that? Quote
greg g Posted October 16, 2009 Report Posted October 16, 2009 the tray is bolted to the ineer fender. Quote
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