Normspeed Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 Here are links to the South Dakota vehicle code and the section on safety belts. Looks like in a pre-1973 car you're clear if you don't have them. Code also says it's not a moving violation and "enforcement by law enforcement agencies shall be accomplished as a secondary action". So more like a fixit ticket, no points on your license. The secondary action part, maybe someone with a law background could clarify, but I believe that means they need to stop you for some other violation first, before checking if your seat belt is installed and fastened. http://law.justia.com/southdakota/codes/32/32-38-3.html http://law.justia.com/southdakota/codes/32/32-38.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plymouthy Adams Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 the secondary action clause is as it states, must be found in conjunction with a prime offense...HOWEVER...it does not stop there..the seatbelt infraction can and will be imposed as a fine while at a normal road block license/insurance check..I had four folks in my car coming back from a golf game yeas back in SC..seconday rule applies..at the roadblock my one friend was the only one not in a seatbelt..he get my license and registration..says fine..ask my bud for his license..writes him a ticket on his license for failure to comply with seat belt law...was just 10.00 and nary a word said to the driver (me) had the occupant not been a licensed driver and thus knowing the law, the infraction would have fallen on me the driver.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plymouthy Adams Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 could be that was the case..officer just stated he has a license..he knows better.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Neon Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 In Minnesota, every one not wearing a seatbelt gets a ticket, plus the driver also gets cited for each individual not wearing a seat belt. The stated logic is that the driver is responsible for the safety of the vehicle and should not be in motion if any passenger is not buckled up. Real reason: a great way to get extra revenue from a single offence. However, it is a secondary offence, no points and have to be stopped for something else. Other side of the coin, however, the fine for no seatbelt was $50 20 years ago. It's gotta be over $100 by now. Driver w/ three passengers all not buckled up. County government nets minimum of $700. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merle Coggins Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 Wisconsin is pushing to change the law so that you can be stopped for not wearing a seat belt. It would no longer be a secondary offence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Young Ed Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 MN is working on that one too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Skinner Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 Gee ain't Government great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plymouthy Adams Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 now before someone jumps my butt remeber I too have motorcycles...but I find it very much an infringement to make me wear a seat belt when motorcycle riders are not required to wear a helmet..protective clothing or footwear..of course this is yet another soapbox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Neon Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 If I had all of your time, Norm, I'd do the same thing. No cop wants to spend several hours in court to collect his bounty on a $10 ticket. My experience and understanding is that cops in my area like to write questionable tickets to increase the bounty they receive on traffic tickets. The thought process is that if they're gonna write a ticket write one that's hard to prove one way or the other, and as an agent of the court and trained observer, the court is likely to come their way, esp. when the judge stands to benefit in regards to court fees. Ask me about my $450 ticket for "bad turn signals" some time... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Neon Posted June 4, 2009 Report Share Posted June 4, 2009 Norm, you are assuming that the judge and the courts are honest and fair. Not the case, or so I'm told, around here. Watch a few episodes of the Dukes of Hazzard and you have a good understanding of how things operate here in Grundy County MO. BTW, check this video out on YouTube, pretty valuable stuff along the lines you are commenting on. If more people exercised their rights, out of shear pragmatism, cops would think twice about harrassing people for the amount of time it takes them away from pulling over more people. Kind of like messing w/ pushy peddlars or annoying telemarketers so they don't have time to bother the rest of your neighbours. My brother-in-law likes to do this. I asked him one time why he let them take his time like that. His response: "I didn't have anything productive to do, I found it entertaining, and I'm doing a service to the guys near the end of the list that won't be bothered now since I took a good 10 minutes of this guy's time thinking that I was gonna give him money." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobT-47P15 Posted June 4, 2009 Report Share Posted June 4, 2009 If you had kept watching, you would have seen that the paper bags in which they serve those burgers and fries were properly grease soaked upon the Prez's return to the White House. We ate at a 5 Guys in Nashville last trip.....out in Green Hills. Was OK, but there are a couple local joints whose burgers I like better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Young Ed Posted June 4, 2009 Report Share Posted June 4, 2009 I've been to the new place here called smashburger twice already. I like it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobT-47P15 Posted June 4, 2009 Report Share Posted June 4, 2009 What do they smash it with, pray tell???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Young Ed Posted June 4, 2009 Report Share Posted June 4, 2009 I guess they smash it onto the grill when they start to cook it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Coatney Posted June 4, 2009 Report Share Posted June 4, 2009 I guess they smash it onto the grill when they start to cook it. I smash bugs into my grill:D Especially when I race on the freeway. Five guys rule! I think I will do there today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Neon Posted June 4, 2009 Report Share Posted June 4, 2009 I have always enjoyed myself when my own wife has been visiting family too. Enjoy the time, when she comes home it is back to rabbit food and water again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Neon Posted June 5, 2009 Report Share Posted June 5, 2009 Looking forward to trying In-N-Out when I am out in Cali in less than a month, myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunka-Junka Posted October 10, 2016 Report Share Posted October 10, 2016 (edited) On 6/1/2009 at 0:43 PM, Plymouthy Adams said: odd of you getting a set of belts from any retailer with retrofit to your old car with weldable reinforcement plates is close to nil. The belt kits will come with large washers to sandwich the floor pan between so as to displace the stress ovar a larger area and prevent rip out..I install mine with plate steel behind the original metal and thus bolt my anchors in place...in areas such as blind holes, these plates will have the anchor nuta welded to the plate and the plate slipped into place... Not sure of other makers but should you decide that a set of donor belts from a late model Mopar suit you..the bolts that retain them in the welded plates of the unit body are 7/16-20 threaded...you can use the original shouldered bolts to have the movement the set requires and use a GM lug nut to bolt them in place..the GM lug nut is of suitable grade hardware hands down.. I know this is an old thread, but what types/years of donor cars would you recommend? Does it matter if they are a coupe or sedan? I have a '47 coupe deluxe "hot/street rod". Thanks. Edited October 10, 2016 by Hunka-Junka Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plymouthy Adams Posted October 10, 2016 Report Share Posted October 10, 2016 (edited) best advice I can give you is to measure you seat height, front of seat distance from steering wheel/pedals...distance of seat back from B-post, height of floor to B-post and go shopping at the local junk yard and match the best you can for application....as for any over the counter set up..the retailers would best be able to advise you there....I mean, it is their bread and butter and should know what their products will or will not fit. Personally I have 2004 Dakota full set up in my 48 bz cpe with excellent fitment and operation...be ye advised that this will require you fabricating your own B-post upper and lower plates, floor plates...keep in mind that I also have the Dakota seat of which the second half of the lap belt is permanently affixed...again...study the layout of your car...bounce this off the donor you have in mind...another point of interest if keeping the stock bench...where and how will you make the lap belt attach and yet be moveable without chaffing when moving the seat.....more thought than just bolt and go for ultimate use and safety...bucket seats makes this easier..matching seat and belt makes it almost a slam dunk Edited October 10, 2016 by Plymouthy Adams 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunka-Junka Posted October 10, 2016 Report Share Posted October 10, 2016 Thanks, that should help a lot! Right now I have bucket seats from a '76 Camaro, but I'm planning to replace them with something else. They just don't look right to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebelvedereman Posted October 11, 2016 Report Share Posted October 11, 2016 In NJ you're still not required to wear/have belts in any car made before 1965 when they were no longer an option, and installed in all vehicles, wish I saw this thread last week, I just threw away 3 complete sets that I got with my 48, all the wrong color for my car, 2 sets were from 70's volares one red one maroon, and a green set from a 70's caddy, they all would have worked for you, sorry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plymouthy Adams Posted October 11, 2016 Report Share Posted October 11, 2016 I did not have to fit mine with belts either...but I still think that they serve the better good...but only in a three point set up...lap belt is pure junk..I even have the complete seatbelt alarm system installed and active as a reminder....they work good along with the SRS air bag, collapsible column and frame designed with built in crumple zones to protect the cabin....lots to be said for the modern components Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andydodge Posted October 11, 2016 Report Share Posted October 11, 2016 I have had lap/sash retractable belts in the front and non retractable lap/sash in the rear with a lap belt in the rear centre since the late 70's, the car even had 3 child safety harness/seat mountings in the rear parcel shelf up until a few yrs ago when I redid the parcel shelf carpeting...........the front belt upper pillar mounts were a piece of 1/4 steel strip with a 7/16th UNF nut welded onto the back, inserted into the pillar via the hole for the pillar light on either side then lowered by wire down to a pre drilled 7/16 hole, the 7/16th bolt inserted and tightened then 3/16th holes drilled above & below the 7/16th hole/bolt and 3/16th pop rivets installed to hold the steel strip hard against the inner pillar.......instant "factory" seat belt mounts......the lower mount at the lower pillar/floor and buckle mount near the centre console bolt thru the floor onto a similar piece of steel plate 3" square with rounded corners and a similar 7/16th welded nut...........of course when I tell people that the actual cars chassis is roughly about 3" in from the seat edge and that a side hit would not be helpful they are not sure whether seat belts are gunna do much anyway ....but............at least it does have seat belts......lol...........Andyd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dale Posted October 11, 2016 Report Share Posted October 11, 2016 South Dakota has a seat belt law requiring them on horses larger than Shetland Ponies... LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plymouthy Adams Posted October 11, 2016 Report Share Posted October 11, 2016 3 minutes ago, dale said: South Dakota has a seat belt law requiring them on horses larger than Shetland Ponies... LOL only if the pony has a saddle....prevention of loss of neck hair was the mane reason for the law... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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