Aaron Posted March 9, 2008 Report Posted March 9, 2008 Ok, since I seem to be on a filter kick, I need some help in the oil filter area. I read in an eariler thread that someone uses NAPA 1011 oil filter in their 49' B1, so that is what I bought for my 48 B1B. Problem is that it is a very tight fit so I didn't try and jam it into the oil filter canister, mainly cause I wouldn't be able to return it if it happens to be the wrong one... Does anyone know if the 1011 is supposed to be an extremely tight fit? or is there a better filter to be using? Quote
OLD DODGE Posted March 9, 2008 Report Posted March 9, 2008 Check out this post. It appears to be a problem that many are finding. Not sure if it's fixed yet. http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/39-47Dodge/message/45547 http://www.chargerfever.com/51011/index.html Quote
Young Ed Posted March 9, 2008 Report Posted March 9, 2008 Its possible thats not the correct #. There are variations with the canisters used on the mopar flatheads. Do you have a number visible on the filter you took out of the canister? Quote
billwillard Posted March 9, 2008 Report Posted March 9, 2008 Take your old one with you to match. NAPA #s 1010-1011-1080. Could be any one of them and I am sure there are others that would cross. Quote
greg g Posted March 9, 2008 Report Posted March 9, 2008 I have used the 1080 and 1080 G in at least two different canisters. Quote
grey beard Posted March 9, 2008 Report Posted March 9, 2008 I have seen that several of these oil filter canisters appear to be the same externally, but as Ed pointed out, check the rim of your lid for a number. My own filter had a Fram tin can-type cartridge rattling around inside with no spring or other parapharanelia to keep it snug or secure, and was doing not one bit of filtering as I found it. My engine also uses the number you mentioned, and did seem like a tight fit - cotton cloth type with a wire bale for removal - and it does fit in pretty snugly - will take discernable effort to remove. Reading over archival threads from years back of this forum, it appears that some earlier posters (if that is a real word) had the ideal that one size fits all. Period. Nothing could be further from the truth. Many of these filters were third party add-ons, and maybe even dealer-level add-ons, and there were many vendors at work here, This all means that many of us could have Dodge B1B's of similar vintage with three or four different filter cartridge applications. My Montana son has five B serieis Dodges. Looking at the filter cap numbers on his engines, there are three different ones visible. One is a sealed jobby thad requires replacement of the entire assembly. One of them is the same one I use - the cotton sock type with the tight fit. Those oil filter units that used tin-can cartridge type filters all must also use a spring on one end to keep the filter tight against the canister, so that filtration can occur. I'll bet they had filter problems getting the right one in the right can, back in 1948, at Dodge dealerships, too. JMHO:) Quote
48WingNut Posted March 9, 2008 Report Posted March 9, 2008 When removing my oil filter the first time on my 48 it came out very hard, so when it came time to put the new one in it went in kinda snug too. Figured that was the way it went in. My dad who was a Dodge mechanic also said the fit in kinda snug. Anyways that's been about 400 miles ago and its still running! Quote
Aaron Posted March 9, 2008 Author Report Posted March 9, 2008 Well the filter I pulled out is a sock style filter and I'm pretty sure that is all that was ever used in this. Of course there is no visible number anywhere. So there is no spring which means I can't use a non-sock style filter?? I did get the NAPA 1011, but the circumference of that one is about 13.5 inches and my original is about 12.75 inches in circumference. I would have to jump up and down on this new one to get it to go in. I am checking with Advanced auto parts and they said this 1011 crosses over to a Fram C120E (sock style) but he will have to see if they can get it direct from Fram as their wearhouse does not have them. Are there other sock style filter numbers that anyone knows of? Quote
Aaron Posted March 10, 2008 Author Report Posted March 10, 2008 Just got off the phone with the parts guy at Roberts Motor parts, and told him my dilema with trying to find the right sock style filter and that the one I ordered from NAPA 1011 doesn't seem to be the right one so I am trying Roberts Motor parts to see if the sock filter they have in stock would be a better fit. His reply to me was "I'm not hear to solve NAPA's part problems"... Wow... They apparently are not to concerned with customer service... Anyways, I was told by another auto parts store that the WIX 51035 would be better than the 51011, but of course this one is discontinued and is not availalble at any wearhouses. Quote
wallytoo Posted March 10, 2008 Report Posted March 10, 2008 His reply to me was "I'm not hear to solve NAPA's part problems"... Wow... They apparently are not to concerned with customer service... a little curt, sure. but, in truth, you aren't a customer . i know many folks have had problems with roberts, yet i've had great luck with them, and have had no "attitude" over the phone. just my lucky days? wally also, fwiw, i've got the wix 51011 for mine. i haven't installed it yet, but i'll let you know, as that should be happening soon. Quote
Young Ed Posted March 10, 2008 Report Posted March 10, 2008 Wix and napa share filter numbers. See if a napa 1035 is available. Or a 21035 should be the gold line # Quote
Merle Coggins Posted March 10, 2008 Report Posted March 10, 2008 Are there any markings on your filter canister? Mine is a Deluxe and calls for a JC filter cartridge. This crosses to the Napa 1011 or Wix 51011. Napa filters are Wix, that's why the numbers are similar. Take a Wix number and drop the first digit and you have a Napa number. I agree that it's a tight fit. I thought it wouldn't go at first. I then oiled up the inside of the canister, and gave it a push and it went in. Merle Quote
Aaron Posted March 10, 2008 Author Report Posted March 10, 2008 Merle, my canister looks almost exactly like your except mine does not have any numbers or words on it. Tonight I am going to take the 1011 filter, oil it up and jam it in! hopefully... Quote
4852dodge Posted March 11, 2008 Report Posted March 11, 2008 I have been using the NAPA 1011 for years and yes they have gotten larger. What I do is on a clean part of the bench roll the filter on it's side with your hands like you are working bread dough. This reduces the diameter and makes it easier to slide it into the housing. Be careful when installing the top of the housing as the new gasket does't fit as well as they used to, they are slightly larger also. Quote
Bill pilot99 Posted March 14, 2008 Report Posted March 14, 2008 I tried the 1011 sock filter, got it in after much work but it covered the oil hole on the side of the can. My filter cover said use JC filters. I had a NAPA 1107 filter for my tractor that fit . I have the engine on a stand and ran it for over a hour with good oil press. I check the wix site for the 1011 filter, it said that it was for V/8 engines. Quote
Aaron Posted March 14, 2008 Author Report Posted March 14, 2008 I found the same thing out from a big auto parts store in that the 1011 filter is for V8 engines. I tried and tried, and was not able to get the 1011 into my oil canister. Got it about 1/2 way in and there was no way it was going any further. Instead I put a Fram C3p cartridge filter in and will see how that works for now. Quote
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