Cat Whisker Posted June 6, 2020 Report Posted June 6, 2020 I ordered, received and installed the ScareBird brakes on a 1949 Plymouth SD and here's what I found... Pros: Well Made Easy install Uses common inexpensive aftermarket calipers, rotors, pads etc. Good instructions Cons: Said item was in stock but waited almost a month for shipment Had to get wheel spacers ((1/4") to clear stock factory wheels All bolts grade 8 except lock washers (grade 5) Spindle/wheel nut caps don't fit All in all I'm a happy camper. See pictures of install after a red powder coat. 2 Quote
Stargrinder Posted June 6, 2020 Report Posted June 6, 2020 Looks really good. I was thinking about doing the same but decided against it when the site said it would not work with the stock wheels. I may need to get some details from you on the spacer and your setup. 1 Quote
keithb7 Posted June 6, 2020 Report Posted June 6, 2020 Yay, or nay? I like the idea of safety and performance improvements of disc brake upgrades. I'm just cheap! I keep nursing along my old stock brakes. Keeping them in good working order. Safe as could be, back in the 30's to 50's. Well, I guess I also drive the cars like it's still the 30's to early 50's so I have trouble deciding if an upgrade is worth it. 2 Quote
Cat Whisker Posted June 6, 2020 Author Report Posted June 6, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Stargrinder said: Looks really good. I was thinking about doing the same but decided against it when the site said it would not work with the stock wheels. I may need to get some details from you on the spacer and your setup. The wheel pattern is common 5 on 4-1/2 which is the same as most Honda's, Nissan's, and many others. I found 2 5mm spacers on eBay for $12 and they fit and work great on the stock wheels which have the rivet bumps between the bolt holes. The wheel bolts that came installed in the ScareBird hubs are plenty long to accommodate the spacers. I can post more pictures of the spacers if needed. The ScareBird kit uses or works with the following user supplied parts: Part Application NAPA Wagner Raybestos Rotor 1993-96 Ford Probe front 4886318 BD125274 96318(R) Caliper, LH 1979-85 Cad. Eldo front SE4680 TQM25048 RC5248 Caliper, RH 1979-85 Cad. Eldo front SE4679 TQM25049 RC5247 Hose (15”)* 1979 Seville front 36845 F98912 BH36845 Hose (17”)* 1979-82 El Dorado front 36959/36960 F98914/98914 BH36959/3696 Brake pads 1983-92 S10 4WD TS7070AM MX154 EHT154 Wheel Seal 1967-69 Camaro Timken, National 8705S SKF, NAPA 17187 Dust cap 1983-2010 Ranger 2WD NAPA 735142 Dorman 618-503 Note: Go with the 17" hoses and pay attention the the orientation of the banjo brake line fitting. It does have an up and down side... Edited June 6, 2020 by Cat Whisker 1 Quote
Stargrinder Posted June 6, 2020 Report Posted June 6, 2020 12 hours ago, Cat Whisker said: The wheel pattern is common 5 on 4-1/2 which is the same as most Honda's, Nissan's, and many others. I found 2 5mm spacers on eBay for $12 and they fit and work great on the stock wheels which have the rivet bumps between the bolt holes. The wheel bolts that came installed in the ScareBird hubs are plenty long to accommodate the spacers. I can post more pictures of the spacers if needed. The ScareBird kit uses or works with the following user supplied parts: Part Application NAPA Wagner Raybestos Rotor 1993-96 Ford Probe front 4886318 BD125274 96318(R) Caliper, LH 1979-85 Cad. Eldo front SE4680 TQM25048 RC5248 Caliper, RH 1979-85 Cad. Eldo front SE4679 TQM25049 RC5247 Hose (15”)* 1979 Seville front 36845 F98912 BH36845 Hose (17”)* 1979-82 El Dorado front 36959/36960 F98914/98914 BH36959/3696 Brake pads 1983-92 S10 4WD TS7070AM MX154 EHT154 Wheel Seal 1967-69 Camaro Timken, National 8705S SKF, NAPA 17187 Dust cap 1983-2010 Ranger 2WD NAPA 735142 Dorman 618-503 Note: Go with the 17" hoses and pay attention the the orientation of the banjo brake line fitting. It does have an up and down side... That is quite the list of parts from different applications that you have aggregated into your solution. I appreciate you sharing. I would love to see pictures of the spacers and your mounting. Quote
Cat Whisker Posted June 6, 2020 Author Report Posted June 6, 2020 Hello Stargrinder. I'm afraid that I only took 2 pics of the wheel spacers prior to installing everything. The only reason the spacers were needed was due to the way Mopar made the wheels. They are riveted together and its the inner webs or spokes (for lack of a better word) between the rivets that are raised and that's where they just barely touch or rub. If they were made flat against the wheel all the way around, there would be no problem but the center of the 4 webs are slotted (probably for strength or ventilation) and that's the edge that rubs the calipers. I used washers when testing for the clearance I needed. The spacers I used are 5mm (way less than 1/4") thick which gave plenty of room between the wheel and the calipers. When looking for spacers, be sure to notice the size of the center hole in them. The hubs that come with the ScareBird kit have very large centers. The common size of the center hole in wheel spacers seems to be 68mm. The hubs center size are 73mm. You can see in the pics that I centered the spacer on the inside of the wheel and tacked them with some upholstery spray adhesive to hold them in place until mounted. Quote
48ply1stcar Posted June 6, 2020 Report Posted June 6, 2020 I didn't need spacers and I used the same wheel I got with car in 1968 so I assume they are original. I think the difference is that I bought mine from someone who decided to go with the the whole ECI setup. My calipers were S10 FWD no issues and I just did them in April. 1 Quote
Stargrinder Posted June 6, 2020 Report Posted June 6, 2020 I definitely appreciate the information as I start to plan this out in my head. By the way ... did you all go with the stock master cylinder or did you all use an aftermarket? Quote
Stargrinder Posted June 7, 2020 Report Posted June 7, 2020 1 hour ago, 48ply1stcar said: I didn't need spacers and I used the same wheel I got with car in 1968 so I assume they are original. I think the difference is that I bought mine from someone who decided to go with the the whole ECI setup. My calipers were S10 FWD no issues and I just did them in April. What rotors did you use? Are your S10 calipers 1990? For the 1946-54 Dodge and Plymouth Scarebird site used Ford Probe rotors and 1990 S10 calipers. Quote
48ply1stcar Posted June 7, 2020 Report Posted June 7, 2020 I used 1990 S10 calipers and Probe rotors, and I'm using the original master cylinder with the washer removed from the residual valve. 1 Quote
Cat Whisker Posted June 7, 2020 Author Report Posted June 7, 2020 4 hours ago, 48ply1stcar said: I didn't need spacers and I used the same wheel I got with car in 1968 so I assume they are original. I think the difference is that I bought mine from someone who decided to go with the the whole ECI setup. My calipers were S10 FWD no issues and I just did them in April. That's probably the difference. My pads are for a S10 but my calipers are the Cadillac ones. Quote
Cat Whisker Posted June 7, 2020 Author Report Posted June 7, 2020 3 hours ago, Stargrinder said: I definitely appreciate the information as I start to plan this out in my head. By the way ... did you all go with the stock master cylinder or did you all use an aftermarket? So far I'm using the stock (rebuilt it about 2 weeks ago) and so far all seems OK after bleeding everything. I put new lines everywhere and new rear slave cylinders. I have plenty of pedal pressure, but once I get on the road, I'll have a better idea. If I need to change, I think i'll go with passing a rod thur the old one to push the new master cylinder mounted behind it. Quote
Cat Whisker Posted June 7, 2020 Author Report Posted June 7, 2020 3 hours ago, Stargrinder said: What rotors did you use? Are your S10 calipers 1990? For the 1946-54 Dodge and Plymouth Scarebird site used Ford Probe rotors and 1990 S10 calipers. I used the Ford Probe rotors and the Cadillac calipers. The pads are the S10 ones and since the pads fit perfect, the two calipers must be almost identical. Quote
Sniper Posted June 7, 2020 Report Posted June 7, 2020 Those calipers are known as GM metric calipers, lots of aftermarket versions in various bore sizes, not to mention a plethora of pad choices too. Quote
Cat Whisker Posted June 7, 2020 Author Report Posted June 7, 2020 58 minutes ago, Sniper said: Those calipers are known as GM metric calipers, lots of aftermarket versions in various bore sizes, not to mention a plethora of pad choices too. I have used GM intermediate calipers on many different T Buckets and Rat Rods builds in the past and never had any problems. Quote
bluefoxamazone Posted June 7, 2020 Report Posted June 7, 2020 On 6/6/2020 at 5:31 AM, Cat Whisker said: The wheel pattern is common 5 on 4-1/2 which is the same as most Honda's, Nissan's, and many others. I found 2 5mm spacers on eBay for $12 and they fit and work great on the stock wheels which have the rivet bumps between the bolt holes. The wheel bolts that came installed in the ScareBird hubs are plenty long to accommodate the spacers. I can post more pictures of the spacers if needed. The ScareBird kit uses or works with the following user supplied parts: Part Application NAPA Wagner Raybestos Rotor 1993-96 Ford Probe front 4886318 BD125274 96318(R) Caliper, LH 1979-85 Cad. Eldo front SE4680 TQM25048 RC5248 Caliper, RH 1979-85 Cad. Eldo front SE4679 TQM25049 RC5247 Hose (15”)* 1979 Seville front 36845 F98912 BH36845 Hose (17”)* 1979-82 El Dorado front 36959/36960 F98914/98914 BH36959/3696 Brake pads 1983-92 S10 4WD TS7070AM MX154 EHT154Wheel Seal 1967-69 Camaro Timken, National 8705S SKF, NAPA 17187 Dust cap 1983-2010 Ranger 2WD NAPA 735142 Dorman 618-503 Note: Go with the 17" hoses and pay attention the the orientation of the banjo brake line fitting. It does have an up and down side... certainly not meant to find these parts in Europe... 1 Quote
48ply1stcar Posted June 7, 2020 Report Posted June 7, 2020 (edited) Hey Bluefox "certainly not meant to find these parts in Europe..." I just found this web-site and I know nothing about it, but it might be worth looking into. https://shop2ship.com/rockauto-usa-international-shipping/ Edited June 8, 2020 by 48ply1stcar 1 Quote
bluefoxamazone Posted June 8, 2020 Report Posted June 8, 2020 On 6/7/2020 at 7:40 PM, 48ply1stcar said: Hey Bluefox "certainly not meant to find these parts in Europe..." I just found this web-site and I know nothing about it, but it might be worth looking into. https://shop2ship.com/rockauto-usa-international-shipping/ THanks for the hint! I know Rockauto very well. I have ordered in the past BUT freight cost and customs taxes make it very expensive to buy in the US and have it shipped to Europe...Fortunately I have some friends in the US to help me with this.... ? Quote
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