Impossible Dodge Truck Cream

[Fowl Jeff]

Hi Folks,

 

Been a while since I've posted. My dad's health steadily declined last year (he passed in the fall) and it put all my truck stuff on hold.

 

But I'm back in the saddle and full of enthusiasm again! I've got the wheels sandblasted and want to get them painted and mounted so I can "graduate" up to a rolling chassis, but having an impossible time finding the paint. I've got Bunn's formula and I have the Ditzler code, Dupont code, NAPA code, RAL code, pretty much every dang code I can find. I supply this information to at least eight places now and am drawing a big fat blank. Today I talked to a guy at Finish Master (I found all the Dupont shades in Bunn's formula on their website) and he says 'we don't handle Dupont paint'. Went to a Sherwin Williams auto paint store: useless. Hit 3-4 websites that claim they can custom mix & submitted requests: struck out. Followed up on a few local leads: zilch.

 

So yea, I'm a bit frustrated. Does anyone know a place that can help me? Thanks!

 

- Jeff

[TodFitch]

Don't know anything about them other than I've come across their website while chasing other links a few times, but have you checked with http://www.autocolorlibrary.com

[Dave72dt]

Dupont has changed to Axalta so check your local body shops, jobbers for someone advertising that instead of Dupont.  All the toners, balancers and binders used in the Bunn's  Dupont formula as posted on the DPETCA site are still current so it shouldn't be a difficult mix.  I can mix it for you if you want to road trip to western Wisconsin.

[Fowl Jeff]

Todd - yes, I've had checked them out. In fact I've exchanged about six emails with their customer support person. He hasn't been able to find any of the numbers I've given him: Ditzler, Dupont, RAL,NAPA, you name it. I even sent him a link so he could see the Dodge paint chip on this site. He said to give him a few days but I doubt I'll hear back.

 

Dave - yes, I tried searching for stuff like "Axalta custom paint", etc. And I told the Finish Master guy that too. I even asked their corporate site which branches carried (and could mix) Axalta paint. Stone silence. Tried another Axalta site today (http://www.autorefinishsupply.com/) that advertised custom mixing and the guy says "those tints are no longer available in my area." But of course doesn't offer any advice, suggestions, etc. Might just have to take you up on the road trip - especially now that the 'frozen tundra' up there has begun to thaw.. :-)

 

Anyway I'll take a few more shots but it's really annoying. Seems like nobody wants to do any work - they pretty much want me to tell them how to do their job. I'm in the wrong business for sure..

 

Argh.

[JBNeal]

I ran into the same problems with the Spring Special with the almost spiteful lack of enthusiasm from the paint guys in 5 counties when I decided to take a break on that project. The best advice that I got was from an older gent who suggested finding something close in an active paint hue that could be readily made, as the paint codes that I was supplying probably had their recipes locked in a binder in a filing cabinet in a dusty warehouse somewhere that no one wanted to dig up or knew how to find...which is not that helpful when dealing with an original color that is not full of flake. My next option was to visit the custom paint professionals that do hot rods for doctors & lawyers, and I knew those guys reeeeally value their time and are not known for volunteering their services or knowledge, so I put my notes away for another day...maybe you might have better luck

[Brent B3B]

I recently was trying to find the " granite gray" went to my auto paint supplier and his computer showed " no longer available" he took the ditzler number I brought him and called PPG. they gave him a new number, He said the old number had something to do with lacquer ( reason for the new number)

If you find it be sure to post the number, hopefully it's universal.

If not sounds like an awesome reason to meet Dave......

[Merle Coggins]

I recently was trying to find the " granite gray" went to my auto paint supplier and his computer showed " no longer available" he took the ditzler number I brought him and called PPG. they gave him a new number, He said the old number had something to do with lacquer ( reason for the new number)

If you find it be sure to post the number, hopefully it's universal.

If not sounds like an awesome reason to meet Dave......

 

I had similar luck with a DULUX or DUCO number for the Dark Green color of my truck. My local paint shop called DuPont, or someone, and within a few minutes had a new number. He looked up the new number in his color chip books and it matched perfectly to the inside of the glove box door that I brought in. Shortly thereafter I was leaving with paint.

 

They were also able to make the "Dodge Truck Cream" for me. As I recall I brought in information from here, but I don't remember where it came from. They crossed it to a Spectramaster number and mixed it up in Nason. Not the greatest picture, but maybe it'll help.

[Fowl Jeff]

Hi Merle,

 

That's the best lead I've had yet! Looking at your picture, is the Spectramaster number YS4101B?

 

Thanks,

 

- Jeff

[Merle Coggins]

I might be able to get another look at it this weekend, if I remember to dig it out. That picture was from a few years ago.

[Dave72dt]

That's the same code number listed on the DEPTCA site.  It is however for a single stage urethane which was NOT in production when the trucks were built.  Any jobber mixing Dupont or Axalta and hasn't converted to waterborne should be able to mix it.  Another option for you, my local O'reilly story sells Nason, a company owned by Dupont.,   They order paint by number, premixed.  Your local may do the same if they don't , mix in house.  It won't hurt to ask.   Since the number is for the ss, it's complete tone accuracy to the cream may not be 100 %.

[Fowl Jeff]

Hi Dave,

 

I can't seem to find the code number on the DEPTCA site. I stepped through the 12 pages of truck color charts and I notice the one discussing the wheels, but nothing lists the Spectramaster number on Merle's paint. I talked to a guy today who seems to think that this number is five digits (not seven): i.e., YS410. He sent me a sample that seems awfully yellow. Could you post a link to the page you're talking about?

[Dave72dt]

Scroll the color charts all the way to the bottom.  You'll find a memo at the bottom with a link.  That will bring up the page with the Dupont  ChromaPremier formula and the color code YS410N and some other letters that designate it as Dupont's premier line and the cost code.  All those toners and the balancer and binder are still active and current for non waterborne.  Now, that same formjula number is available in Nason, Dupont's value line of paint products.  The toners used are completely different as are the amounts but the color comes out the same for Spectramaster solid color codes.  You can use the Nason for solid colors, codes with metallics and pearls from Spectramaster need to be done in Dupont. The Dupont lines may give you a more precise color match when you need to do a blend to factory paint typical of body shop repairs. 

 

Chances are you can also get the same color code mixed in a base clear or acrylic enamel, whatever you're more comfortable spraying.  I was going to check on that today as well as the RAL number to see how close they came in formulas.  Forgot all about it  while at work.

[Merle Coggins]

Hi Dave,

 

I can't seem to find the code number on the DEPTCA site. I stepped through the 12 pages of truck color charts and I notice the one discussing the wheels, but nothing lists the Spectramaster number on Merle's paint. I talked to a guy today who seems to think that this number is five digits (not seven): i.e., YS410. He sent me a sample that seems awfully yellow. Could you post a link to the page you're talking about?

 

It is yellow. The mix that Mark (a.k.a ggdad1951) used for his truck is a little darker and more orange-ish compared to mine. If I compare mine to the color I found on the inside, once the tires were dismounted, it is quite close.

 

[Fowl Jeff]

OK great, thanks Dave/Merle. I'm whacking myself upside the head for not linking the Spectramaster number in Merle's picture to the ChromaPremier number from Don Bunn's formula. Duh.. The only thing I'm not sure about is the 'N' suffix from the formula - don't see it in the picture (but it's kind of blurry). But maybe that doesn't matter..

[Dave72dt]

The "N" is important.  That's the coding for the ChromaPremier single stage urethane mix.  The color code can also be mixed in a base/clear, both in their standard base and their premier line and as Merle stated earlier in their Nason line as well, in a single stage urethane or acrylic enamel but not in a base clear.

The  YS410 is the base number used to find the formulas based on the type or line of paint to be mixed and will work for either the Dupont or Nason lines and the entire formula changes depending on the binders or balancers used.  It may also work on other brands that have an interchange.  I don't have access to the other companies paint programs so I can't help with that info.

 

RAL 1014 number on the DEPTCA site interchanged to a formula in the Nason line but not in the Dupont, dropped two of the toners and added a different one in, 4 different alternates 2 called some kind of beige and 2 ivory, color chips looked similar on the screen. 

 

I've got the individual formulas for Chromabase BC, ChromaPremier BC, Nason SS urethane, acrylic enamel, and Nason RAL 1014 in acrylic enamel.

 

I suspect both the RAL and the YS410 codes are a close match to the original color but may not be a perfect match.  It's hard to tell how much the sample's original color has changed over the years from exposure to chemicals and ultraviolet or how good Bunn's eye was for color matching back when comparisons were done.

 

I may try mixing up some touchup bottles, do a spray out on them and compare.  Food for thought.

[David A.]

I recently had my truck wheel paint matched at the Finish Master store near me. I sanded and buffed part of the original paint so it would be as close to the true original shade as possible. They did an excellent job of matching the original color. They mixed it in their Limco brand. If I can figure out how to post a picture, I'll attach a picture of the mixing label. If I can't post a picture and anyone is interested in the formula let me know and I'll type it out. The label lists the tint numbers, description, and amounts. They started with an older Chrysler "Sunshine Yellow" paint code then tinted it to match the wheel color. It looked like a perfect match to me.

[Fowl Jeff]

David A - that looks beautiful! I see you're in Greer SC. My dad was raised there and I still have family in the area.

 

Dave 72 - that helped a LOT! Thanks to you I think I've finally broke the mystery open. I found a local Carquest store that says they can mix a single stage Nason for the YS410 base code. I'll be out there this week.

 

My thanks to everyone. I'll post pictures of the results.

 

- Jeff

[Fowl Jeff]

Hi Gang,

 

Well tonight I'm feeling pretty happy. Thanks to Dave & Merle I was able to get the paint mixed, and yesterday I tried my hand at painting Here's a before & after shot.

 

Next I'll be mounting the tires - after I get a few to fit - and putting the wheels on so I can roll old Lumpy in & out of the garage. Want to get the engine cleaned off and sitting on the frame soon!

 

- Jeff

 

 

 

 

[Fowl Jeff]

Another shot..