autoexpressionist.com Posted September 14, 2015 Report Posted September 14, 2015 First off, forgive me that I'm new to all this. I'm learning as I go. Had a bad clutch chatter in my '47 Plymouth and am replacing the rear main seals and clutch. I ordered a new clutch disc from Bernbaum but the new one has a deeper offset than my original and doesn't seat properly in the pressure plate. I looked on the forums and for other online images and haven't found another that looks similiar to the one that I have. I am wondering if I just need to order another pressure plate or find a different clutch. The clutch that came out is a 9 1/4. Also, I was wondering if anyone could tell me if there is any sort of plug or cap that is supposed to go on the transmission where it bolts up. I got a new seal and it has a hole around the opening and it seems to me like there should be, but again, I have zero experience and the manual doesn't show anything. Thanks! Dan Quote
Don Coatney Posted September 14, 2015 Report Posted September 14, 2015 There is a gasket that goes between the transmission and bell housing. Suggest you also send your pressure plate to these folks for a rebuild. They can also supply you with the correct disc and pilot bushing. Do not use grease on the pilot bushing. Soak it in oil overnight prior to the install. Does your flywheel require re-surfacing? Quote
P15-D24 Posted September 14, 2015 Report Posted September 14, 2015 Never seen a flywheel like that before. Quote
autoexpressionist.com Posted September 14, 2015 Author Report Posted September 14, 2015 Thanks Don, I've got the gasket, I just didn't know if there was a plug that was in there originally. Flywheel is in good shape. I gave it some light sanding. I'll give those people a call about the pressure plate and clutch. Thanks again, Dan Quote
Don Coatney Posted September 14, 2015 Report Posted September 14, 2015 Never seen a flywheel like that before. I believe what you are looking at is the pressure plate. Quote
P15-D24 Posted September 14, 2015 Report Posted September 14, 2015 Never see a pressure plate like that either! Quote
Merle Coggins Posted September 14, 2015 Report Posted September 14, 2015 Never see a pressure plate like that either! I agree. I've never seen on with a baffle plate/guard inside like that. Normally they are open and you can see the springs and fingers. 1 Quote
oldasdirt Posted September 14, 2015 Report Posted September 14, 2015 First off, forgive me that I'm new to all this. I'm learning as I go. Had a bad clutch chatter in my '47 Plymouth and am replacing the rear main seals and clutch. I ordered a new clutch disc from Bernbaum but the new one has a deeper offset than my original and doesn't seat properly in the pressure plate. I looked on the forums and for other online images and haven't found another that looks similiar to the one that I have. I am wondering if I just need to order another pressure plate or find a different clutch. The clutch that came out is a 9 1/4. Also, I was wondering if anyone could tell me if there is any sort of plug or cap that is supposed to go on the transmission where it bolts up. I got a new seal and it has a hole around the opening and it seems to me like there should be, but again, I have zero experience and the manual doesn't show anything. Thanks! Dan what transmission is in this 47 Plymouth. Something looks odd here. Quote
autoexpressionist.com Posted September 15, 2015 Author Report Posted September 15, 2015 As far as I know it is the stock 3 speed manual that came in all Plymouths from that year. Nothing about the car leads me to believe that anything was changed. And yes, the photo is the pressure plate. I thought that someone may have replaced the clutch/pressure plate from a truck or something. Quote
Niel Hoback Posted September 15, 2015 Report Posted September 15, 2015 Asking just to be sure, are you putting the disc in facing the right way? 1 Quote
autoexpressionist.com Posted September 15, 2015 Author Report Posted September 15, 2015 It's the right way. While I feel like I should take offense to that, I've made those mistakes many times! Quote
Don Coatney Posted September 15, 2015 Report Posted September 15, 2015 I assume you have not yet done the re-assembly. What is the condition of your throw out bearing? Also in your art collection do you have any photos of the Kettlersville drag strip? Quote
autoexpressionist.com Posted September 15, 2015 Author Report Posted September 15, 2015 Haven't re-assembled anything except for the main seal. I did, however, get a new throw out bearing with everything else just in case. I have done a few drag racing paintings, mostly as commission pieces, but none of them were from the Kettlersville track that I know of. It wasn't one I was familiar with, but looked it up and found a ton of really great photos. I grew up in more of a dirt track racing family, but old drag stuff makes for such great imagery. Thanks! Quote
Don Coatney Posted September 15, 2015 Report Posted September 15, 2015 I had a problem with a new throw out bearing. Seems the new ones use a UHMW retainer that gets squishy with heat and pressure and caused my new clutch to chatter. I swapped my original back in and the chatter disappeared. Quote
autoexpressionist.com Posted September 15, 2015 Author Report Posted September 15, 2015 The one that I purchased was being advertised as NOS. I can't tell for sure if it really is, but I'm probably gonna give it a try. Quote
Dave72dt Posted September 15, 2015 Report Posted September 15, 2015 Will the disc fit if you take the coffee strainer out of the pressure plate. That thing looks like it belongs in a filter of some sort. I've never seen one in a pressure plate before either. Quote
autoexpressionist.com Posted September 15, 2015 Author Report Posted September 15, 2015 I'm sure it would fit minus the coffee strainer. Might have to check into getting it out. Seems like it would be there for a reason, but I have no idea what. Quote
Plymouthy Adams Posted September 15, 2015 Report Posted September 15, 2015 man played a joke that was intended to get a laugh long down the road it seems....upon teardown a pure what the heck moment... 1 Quote
Don Coatney Posted September 15, 2015 Report Posted September 15, 2015 Never see a pressure plate like that either! SHOW ME THE MONEY!!!! Makes me wonder if anyone has ever seen an original? Look at this factory drawing carefully. This is what is in my car right now. Quote
Dave72dt Posted September 15, 2015 Report Posted September 15, 2015 Don, your picture collection has once again solved a mystery. It would then appear the disc he received is not correct for that particular pressure plate. Quote
Plymouthy Adams Posted September 15, 2015 Report Posted September 15, 2015 Don, your picture collection has once again solved a mystery. It would then appear the disc he received is not correct for that particular pressure plate. Ray Charles could have seen that... 1 Quote
Don Coatney Posted September 16, 2015 Report Posted September 16, 2015 Don, your picture collection has once again solved a mystery. It would then appear the disc he received is not correct for that particular pressure plate. The funny thing is I spent a lot of time surfing the photos of pressure plates on the net and just about gave up. Then as a last resort I looked at my own photo and slapped myself alongside my head. Pictured is the disc I used but it is not P-15 compatible. It is a T-5 disc. Here is my original P-15 disc that was used with that pressure plate. I gave this disc to Plymouthy. Quote
autoexpressionist.com Posted September 16, 2015 Author Report Posted September 16, 2015 Decided to make a series of relief cuts in that pan and tap it down to open it up a little. I don't see why this would be a problem. I guess if it doesn't work, I take it back apart and go the new pressure plate route. Quote
Conn47D24 Posted March 4, 2016 Report Posted March 4, 2016 My D24 Parts book shows a Baffle in the exploded view of the clutch / PP. Neither of mine had a baffle when I opened them up. Still a mystery, but I am moving forward without it. Did you ever learn more about the baffle? Quote
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.